Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:2940 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 78695 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 13:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netphobia.fi) (213.243.181.8) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 13:45:45 -0000 Received: from localhost (jani@localhost) by netphobia.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5SDjh715356; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:45:44 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: netphobia.fi: jani owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:45:43 +0300 (EEST) Sender: jani@netphobia.fi Reply-To: Jani Taskinen To: Sascha Schumann cc: internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: networking bugs and bugme.osdl.org (fwd) From: sniper@iki.fi (Jani Taskinen) And the point was..? AFAICT, our system works fine. Seemed like the linux dudes are way behind. :) --Jani On Sat, 28 Jun 2003, Sascha Schumann wrote: > There is a thread on the netdev mailing list right now > regarding bug databases. Lots of interesting points, some of > them apply to the PHP project as well. > > Head of thread: > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-netdev&m=105669326002116&w=2 > > - Sascha > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:19:33 -0700 (PDT) >From: David S. Miller >To: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk >Cc: greearb@candelatech.com, mbligh@aracnet.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, > linux-net@vger.kernel.org, netdev@oss.sgi.com >Subject: Re: networking bugs and bugme.osdl.org > > From: Alan Cox > Date: 28 Jun 2003 00:04:30 +0100 > > it means you can spot patterns, trends > >I already spot patterns and trends when people retransmit the >bug/patch/whatever. As do other people. > >Frankly, people who aren't willing to maintain their patches >and retransmit them to me, do not matter as far as I am concerned. >If you don't want to put forth the effort, I do not want to interact >with you. I feel the same way about bugs. > >Linus has been saying this and doing it for years, and I've had to >learn the hard way that he's absolutely right in this regard. If you >try to track everything, you accomplish nothing. You will, however, >get overloaded and frustrated. To scale one must reserve the right to >hit the delete key and it's _GONE_ not accumulating somewhere else. > >We need social engineering. If someone never gets their bug looked at >because they post absolute crap bug reports, that's a feature. If >people spend all this effort making sense of such reports and fix them >_ANYWAYS_ the reporter will never learn to produce high quality bug >reports that are more useful to us. That means the scarcest resource >we have is being used inefficiently. > >That same goes for patches, and I've watched over time how this works. > >This is another reasone that I hate when people privately email me >stuff, because I _WILL_ delete it and I _WILL_ lose it. If you post >it to the lists, it gets accumulated somewhere but it doesn't clog >my mailbox and it doesn't create a backlog for me. It also means that >if I'm sipping Mai Tai's in Hawaii other people will see and can react >to the report. > > > -- https://www.paypal.com/xclick/business=sniper@php.net&no_note=1&tax=0¤cy_code=EUR