Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:29283 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 13130 invoked by uid 1010); 7 May 2007 18:50:30 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 13115 invoked from network); 7 May 2007 18:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 May 2007 18:50:30 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=stas@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=stas@zend.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 63.205.162.114 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: stas@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 63.205.162.114 unknown Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1 Received: from [63.205.162.114] ([63.205.162.114:26150] helo=us-ex1.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 5F/54-56106-4F47F364 for ; Mon, 07 May 2007 14:50:30 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([192.168.17.42]) by us-ex1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 May 2007 11:50:25 -0700 Message-ID: <463F74EA.7030704@zend.com> Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 14:50:18 -0400 Organization: Zend Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lukas Kahwe Smith CC: internals@lists.php.net References: <139872287.20070504170744@marcus-boerger.de> <9DC00D11-00A5-40DB-A397-8454C48FA448@prohost.org> <1525138013.20070504193205@marcus-boerger.de> <463B70A1.4010505@zend.com> <463B7232.7000205@php.net> <463B8B36.5010906@zend.com> <1992195966.20070504214413@marcus-boerger.de> <463B9271.3040009@zend.com> <1348470081.20070504221609@marcus-boerger.de> <463EB3FD.4020009@zend.com> <1062653277.20070507092725@marcus-boerger.de> <463ED871.8080606@zend.com> <463F1B3A.3070703@pooteeweet.org> In-Reply-To: <463F1B3A.3070703@pooteeweet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2007 18:50:26.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[934496F0:01C790D8] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3 From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev) > So if you are wondering about use cases, the PEAR installer is a good > example. Generally I would say phar lends itself for self installing Let's separate phar as installer format and phar as runtime format. Only problem I have with the former is that it's custom NIH-syndrome-enabled format which no tools except PEAR can work with. I don't have any problem with the idea of having distribution format inside PHP toolkit or the intent of the project, on the contrary - I think it's a great think that should be taken even further - probably up to something like InstallShield.php ;) As for phar in runtime I think moving away from filesystem would create more problems than solve. Of course, there are people that think the opposite. > Also it is one of those cases of "build it and they will come". So once > we put this into core, people will take notice, tools will be developed, > others will be adapted to become compatible etc. We don't need phar extension in the core to make phar installer, as far as I understand. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Products Engineer stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/