Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:29240 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 63948 invoked by uid 1010); 7 May 2007 08:03:06 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 63933 invoked from network); 7 May 2007 08:03:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 May 2007 08:03:06 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 213.123.20.143 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.123.20.143 c2bthomr11.btconnect.com Received: from [213.123.20.143] ([213.123.20.143:9734] helo=c2bthomr11.btconnect.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id E8/EB-52548-83DDE364 for ; Mon, 07 May 2007 04:03:05 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by c2bthomr11.btconnect.com with ESMTP id CTC76800; Mon, 7 May 2007 09:03:01 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <463EDD0B.7080300@lsces.co.uk> Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 09:02:19 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070222 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PHP internals References: <139872287.20070504170744@marcus-boerger.de> <736AED54-1272-4924-A07D-3166A1742A2F@prohost.org> <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE2FEF72@us-ex1.zend.net> In-Reply-To: <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE2FEF72@us-ex1.zend.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3 From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) Andi Gutmans wrote: > I see no value in making compatibility breaks in 5.x and not in the next > major version. As it is we drive a lot of our users crazy. We already > agreed this is a 6.x thing. > >> IMHO one good reason to start a new branch for 5.x would be >> the ability to get rid off register_globals and magic_quotes >> in the 5 series without having to wait for PHP6 to come around. It seems to me that there are even more people around with their own agendas today. The PHP6 'plan' is looking good, but do we have an ETA? Personally I've stopped bothering with all the changes to PHP5 and 5.1.6 is working nicely for me, so my next step WOULD be PHP6. For those of us who have already 'dropped' register_globals and magic_quotes in our code, forcing people who have not yet had time to make the move seems a little heavy handed. PHP6 will need a major porting exercise, so keep it until then. As for phar? It sounds a little like PDO. No one has time to work on the Firebird PDO driver because we still need the main driver to provide the functions PDO does not support. Proper discussion and development of elements that are planned to become main stream would be nice, and not the apparently current method of 'I'm doing this in the next release because I want it!' Do we need phar? Is it fully operational on all platforms? How will the currently registered dependencies be addressed? IF it goes into the main distribution presumably the installers are going to be extended to support it's server requirements. Is that appropriate 'mid cycle'? It WOULD be nice to spend some time inside the PHP code base, but at present all spare time seems to be spent monitoring and testing all the changes to the releases and always playing catch up. PHP6 is the next release - PHP5 should now be tied down and put on the same basis as PHP4 before we end up with even more private initiatives creating even more mayhem :( If people want these changes why aren't they working to get PHP6 out? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://home.lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://home.lsces.co.uk MEDW - http://home.lsces.co.uk/ModelEngineersDigitalWorkshop/ Firebird Foundation Inc. - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php