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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3
From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev)

> they most likely don't, it is designed for deployment and for running
> includes directly.

What do you mean "directly"? Do you mean this is designed for running 
application only specifically crafted to run inside phar and would break 
some or most of the existing applications not designed specifically for 
it? Then even less reason to recommend it as a way to deploy real 
applications.

> If need be, i'll write a windows-commander plugin :-)

Will you also write plugins for all thousand other tools people use or 
only for those two you personally use? ;) Note that for all other 
formats the tools are out there *today*. You can open zip or tgz on 
almost any system in existence, and almost any file manager you could 
find understands these formats or natively or with tons of readily 
available plugins.

> pear install phar - or - pecl install phar - done
> oh wait the point is that pecl install doesn't work or is in 99% no option

And what is "pear install"? I don't have such command in my Windows by 
default. Neither I have it on my Linux. I would have to install PEAR for 
that, right? Even only to know what's inside.

> slow? bigger? overhead?

Meaning, of no practical use  nobody would package their real-world apps 
this way. Then I guess it's not really an option?

> Interesting and not maintained for the most. Sometimes working on one or
> the other very specific php version only. And often even without
> documentation.

This is as I see for very specific applications too, and the manual says 
there's no currently stable version of phar.
My opinion is that it is not right to recommend it as preferred way to 
deploy PHP applications. I know there are many people that it suits 
their needs - but those people as I understand have to keep in mind they 
work for phar anyway, so they might as well install one more extension.

-- 
Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Products Engineer
stas@zend.com  http://www.zend.com/