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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3
From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger)

Hello Stanislav,

Friday, May 4, 2007, 10:07:13 PM, you wrote:

>> - you don't need a tool - well php - but hey you probbaly have that tool

> Yes, but they can't open it by any other standard system tool. I.e. you 
> always need PHP - and of specific version -

nope, there ispear/phar - perfectly compatible and runs on any version

> to work with this file. And 
> I don't know how you expect all kinds of proven and widely used tools 
> like mod_rewrite, .htaccess, etc. to work with phar-ed application.

they most likely don't, it is designed for deployment and for running
includes directly.

>> - you can run phar archives out of the box - untouched

> You can't however see files there, edit files, copy files, etc. by any 
> of the thousands of tools made by people to work with files.

If need be, i'll write a windows-commander plugin :-)

>> - you can extract phar archives and run them - still untouched

> To extract them, you again can use one and only one tool, which might 
> not be available on the system you want to open the archive on. That's 
> all consequences of inventing yet another separate packaging format on 
> top of dozens already in existence. Java at least used existing format...

pear install phar - or - pecl install phar - done
oh wait the point is that pecl install doesn't work or is in 99% no option

>> - you can provide phar archives that do not require a phar extension

> What do you mean, how? And if you can - why don't you always do so? Why 
> do you need phar extension at all?

slow? bigger? overhead?

>> To your question "is phar so important that everybody needs it in the
>> main source." I think the above means it should.

> Sorry, not clear to me how exactly it means so. There are a lot of 
> extensions that live in PECL and do all kinds of interesting things - 
> why phar is so special?

Interesting and not maintained for the most. Sometimes working on one or
the other very specific php version only. And often even without
documentation.

> -- 
> Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Products Engineer
> stas@zend.com  http://www.zend.com/




Best regards,
 Marcus