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Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:15:50 -0700
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Thread-Topic: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3
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To: "Stas Malyshev" <stas@zend.com>,
	"Marcus Boerger" <helly@php.net>
Cc: "Edin Kadribasic" <edink@php.net>,
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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3
From: andi@zend.com ("Andi Gutmans")

Btw, I think if phar is a good way of deploying self-contained apps like
WAR and EAR then we should think of including this in the default
distro. It definitely has value. I just don't think we're quite there
yet.

Andi=20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stanislav Malyshev [mailto:stas@zend.com]=20
> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 1:07 PM
> To: Marcus Boerger
> Cc: Edin Kadribasic; internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3
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> > - you don't need a tool - well php - but hey you probbaly have that=20
> > tool
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> Yes, but they can't open it by any other standard system=20
> tool. I.e. you always need PHP - and of specific version - to=20
> work with this file. And I don't know how you expect all=20
> kinds of proven and widely used tools like mod_rewrite,=20
> .htaccess, etc. to work with phar-ed application.
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> > - you can run phar archives out of the box - untouched
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> You can't however see files there, edit files, copy files,=20
> etc. by any of the thousands of tools made by people to work=20
> with files.
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> > - you can extract phar archives and run them - still untouched
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> To extract them, you again can use one and only one tool,=20
> which might not be available on the system you want to open=20
> the archive on. That's all consequences of inventing yet=20
> another separate packaging format on top of dozens already in=20
> existence. Java at least used existing format...
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> > - you can provide phar archives that do not require a phar extension
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> What do you mean, how? And if you can - why don't you always=20
> do so? Why do you need phar extension at all?
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> > To your question "is phar so important that everybody needs=20
> it in the=20
> > main source." I think the above means it should.
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> Sorry, not clear to me how exactly it means so. There are a=20
> lot of extensions that live in PECL and do all kinds of=20
> interesting things - why phar is so special?
> --
> Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Products Engineer stas@zend.com =20
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