Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:2918 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 79053 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 01:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO milton.schell.de) (217.160.72.35) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 01:22:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 17799 invoked by uid 501); 28 Jun 2003 01:22:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO eco.foo) (80.143.57.85) by kdserv.de with SMTP; 28 Jun 2003 01:22:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eco.foo (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0ED2FE70 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 03:22:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 03:22:25 +0200 (CEST) X-X-Sender: sas@eco.foo To: internals@lists.php.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: networking bugs and bugme.osdl.org (fwd) From: sascha@schumann.cx (Sascha Schumann) There is a thread on the netdev mailing list right now regarding bug databases. Lots of interesting points, some of them apply to the PHP project as well. Head of thread: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-netdev&m=105669326002116&w=2 - Sascha ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:19:33 -0700 (PDT) From: David S. Miller To: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk Cc: greearb@candelatech.com, mbligh@aracnet.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-net@vger.kernel.org, netdev@oss.sgi.com Subject: Re: networking bugs and bugme.osdl.org From: Alan Cox Date: 28 Jun 2003 00:04:30 +0100 it means you can spot patterns, trends I already spot patterns and trends when people retransmit the bug/patch/whatever. As do other people. Frankly, people who aren't willing to maintain their patches and retransmit them to me, do not matter as far as I am concerned. If you don't want to put forth the effort, I do not want to interact with you. I feel the same way about bugs. Linus has been saying this and doing it for years, and I've had to learn the hard way that he's absolutely right in this regard. If you try to track everything, you accomplish nothing. You will, however, get overloaded and frustrated. To scale one must reserve the right to hit the delete key and it's _GONE_ not accumulating somewhere else. We need social engineering. If someone never gets their bug looked at because they post absolute crap bug reports, that's a feature. If people spend all this effort making sense of such reports and fix them _ANYWAYS_ the reporter will never learn to produce high quality bug reports that are more useful to us. That means the scarcest resource we have is being used inefficiently. That same goes for patches, and I've watched over time how this works. This is another reasone that I hate when people privately email me stuff, because I _WILL_ delete it and I _WILL_ lose it. If you post it to the lists, it gets accumulated somewhere but it doesn't clog my mailbox and it doesn't create a backlog for me. It also means that if I'm sipping Mai Tai's in Hawaii other people will see and can react to the report.