Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:28873 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 92882 invoked by uid 1010); 16 Apr 2007 22:08:18 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 92867 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2007 22:08:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Apr 2007 22:08:18 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 194.109.253.196 mediawave.xs4all.nl Received: from [194.109.253.196] ([194.109.253.196:23580] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F2/C4-53493-1D3F3264 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:08:17 -0400 To: internals@lists.php.net,Oliver Block Message-ID: <4623F3D9.1030806@mediawave.nl> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:08:25 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200704162003.l3GK3YPQ012048@post.webmailer.de> In-Reply-To: <200704162003.l3GK3YPQ012048@post.webmailer.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-By: 194.109.253.196 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] dropping asp_tags in HEAD From: bart@mediawave.nl (Bart de Boer) Hi Oliver, I was just trying to make a case for removing those ASP short tags (at least) by advocating to remove short tags all together in the long run. I didn't mean executing PHP documents with PHP. I meant that it should be possible to use PHP documents with other (XML-based) tools/software. -Bart Oliver Block wrote: > > Hi Bart, > > is that a topic on the todo list? Are you going to make php6 xml-parsable? Or > what else could be the reason for xml standard compliance. As far as I know, > php is parsed by its own language parser. Forgive me if I am not savvy to the > future plans of the php group. > > Regards, > > Oliver > > > ----- original Nachricht -------- > > Betreff: Re: [PHP-DEV] dropping asp_tags in HEAD > Gesendet: So, 15. Apr 2007 > Von: Bart de Boer > >> The XML standard... >> >> HTML 4.01 compliance seems a bit trivial since there's already so much >> forgiveness going on around that spec anyway... >> >> >> >> Oliver Block wrote: >>> Am Samstag, 14. April 2007 11:49 schrieb Bart de Boer: >>>> PHP's convention is currently >>>> responsible for people creating non-standards-compliant documents... And >>>> I think we should take that responsibility and clean up the mess we >>>> made... The XML spec is outside our scope... What's inside >>> our business... >>> About which standard are you talking? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Oliver >>> >>>> Tijnema ! wrote: >>>>> On 4/14/07, Bart de Boer wrote: >>>>>> I think ASP tags should go too... Simply because it's not standards >>>>>> compliant and I think it's good if people are forced to make nice >>>>>> standards compliant documents... I'd even go so far as to favor >> dropping >>>>>> short tags too... >>>>>> >>>>>> n"; ?> >>>>>> >>>>>> What a mess!... >>>>> What about the even shorter version: >>>>> n"; ?> >>>>> >>>>> That's real ugly code... >>>>> >>>>> Tijnema >>>>> >>>>>> Guilherme Blanco wrote: >>>>>>> I really can't see a reason to mantain ASP tags. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok, short tags is good because of , but it doesn't >>>>>>> behavior well with XML documents. So, if your intention is to change >>>>>>> short tags to ASP tag in a near future, ok. ASP tags does not mix XML >>>>>>> documents. >>>>>>> Otherwise, ASP tags is the most useless thing I've ever heard in PHP >>>>>>> sphere. I really don't know why wasn't it dropped in PHP5. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's what I think... IMHO. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> []s, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/13/07, Tijnema ! wrote: >>>>>>>> On 4/13/07, Richard Lynch wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Fri, April 13, 2007 9:16 am, Tijnema ! wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I don't see why you are all against dropping the ASP tags. I see >>>>>>>>>> people using ASP & PHP in one script, what would that do? If >>>>>> ASP runs >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> first then there isn't a problem, but if PHP runs first, it would >>>>>>>>>> execute the ASP code. >>>>>>>>> There are actually people running both PHP and ASP in series to >>>>>>>>> generate HTML? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If they are, they can turn ASP tags *OFF* in php.ini >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And they certainly aren't going to be distributing that setup >>>>>> outside >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> their own little world... >>>>>>>> I've seen such code on the net some time ago... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But should you distribute PHP code with ASP tags? That's not good >>>>>>>> either i think. So there's no use of the ASP tags, and they can only >>>>>>>> interfere with ASP. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tijnema >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >> -- >> PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List >> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >> >> > > --- original Nachricht Ende ----