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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] dropping asp_tags in HEAD
From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger)

Hello Bart,

  HTML is an SGML application while XHTML is an XML application. And XML is
basically a subset of SGML...

best regards
marcus

Sunday, April 15, 2007, 12:30:01 PM, you wrote:

> The XML standard...

> HTML 4.01 compliance seems a bit trivial since there's already so much 
> forgiveness going on around that spec anyway...



> Oliver Block wrote:
>> Am Samstag, 14. April 2007 11:49 schrieb Bart de Boer:
>>> PHP's convention is currently
>>> responsible for people creating non-standards-compliant documents... And
>>> I think we should take that responsibility and clean up the mess we
>>> made... The XML spec is outside our scope... What's inside <?php tags is
>>> our business...
>> 
>> About which standard are you talking?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Oliver
>> 
>>> Tijnema ! wrote:
>>>> On 4/14/07, Bart de Boer <bart@mediawave.nl> wrote:
>>>>> I think ASP tags should go too... Simply because it's not standards
>>>>> compliant and I think it's good if people are forced to make nice
>>>>> standards compliant documents... I'd even go so far as to favor dropping
>>>>> short tags too...
>>>>>
>>>>> <? echo "<?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-8\" ?>\n"; ?>
>>>>>
>>>>> What a mess!...
>>>> What about the even shorter version:
>>>> <?="<?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-8\" ?>\n"; ?>
>>>>
>>>> That's real ugly code...
>>>>
>>>> Tijnema
>>>>
>>>>> Guilherme Blanco wrote:
>>>>>> I really can't see a reason to mantain ASP tags.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, short tags is good because of <?=$something?>, but it doesn't
>>>>>> behavior well with XML documents. So, if your intention is to change
>>>>>> short tags to ASP tag in a near future, ok. ASP tags does not mix XML
>>>>>> documents.
>>>>>> Otherwise, ASP tags is the most useless thing I've ever heard in PHP
>>>>>> sphere. I really don't know why wasn't it dropped in PHP5.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's what I think... IMHO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> []s,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/13/07, Tijnema ! <tijnema@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/13/07, Richard Lynch <ceo@l-i-e.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, April 13, 2007 9:16 am, Tijnema ! wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I don't see why you are all against dropping the ASP tags. I see
>>>>>>>>> people using ASP & PHP in one script, what would that do? If
>>>>> ASP runs
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> first then there isn't a problem, but if PHP runs first, it would
>>>>>>>>> execute the ASP code.
>>>>>>>> There are actually people running both PHP and ASP in series to
>>>>>>>> generate HTML?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If they are, they can turn ASP tags *OFF* in php.ini
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And they certainly aren't going to be distributing that setup
>>>>> outside
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> their own little world...
>>>>>>> I've seen such code on the net some time ago...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But should you distribute PHP code with ASP tags? That's not good
>>>>>>> either i think. So there's no use of the ASP tags, and they can only
>>>>>>> interfere with ASP.

Best regards,
 Marcus