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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] dropping asp_tags in HEAD
From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf)

PHP was never meant to win any beauty contests, nor to enforce
standards.  If you want to take your argument to its logical conclusion
then you have to also take the next step and not allow literal entities
inside the PHP blocks, because that is also not standards compliant.
That means you cannot write:

  <?php if($a > 10) foo() ?>

You would have to change it to:

  <?php if($a &gt; 10) foo() ?>

And that's just a simple example of that.

-Rasmus

Bart de Boer wrote:
> 
> And let me stress that this is something we're *forcing* people to do
> when they're on a short tags enabled server... It's not something
> they're allowed to do at free will... PHP's convention is currently
> responsible for people creating non-standards-compliant documents... And
> I think we should take that responsibility and clean up the mess we
> made... The XML spec is outside our scope... What's inside <?php tags is
> our business...
> 
> 
> 
> Tijnema ! wrote:
>> On 4/14/07, Bart de Boer <bart@mediawave.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think ASP tags should go too... Simply because it's not standards
>>> compliant and I think it's good if people are forced to make nice
>>> standards compliant documents... I'd even go so far as to favor dropping
>>> short tags too...
>>>
>>> <? echo "<?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-8\" ?>\n"; ?>
>>>
>>> What a mess!...
>>
>> What about the even shorter version:
>> <?="<?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-8\" ?>\n"; ?>
>>
>> That's real ugly code...
>>
>> Tijnema
>>>
>>>
>>> Guilherme Blanco wrote:
>>> > I really can't see a reason to mantain ASP tags.
>>> >
>>> > Ok, short tags is good because of <?=$something?>, but it doesn't
>>> > behavior well with XML documents. So, if your intention is to change
>>> > short tags to ASP tag in a near future, ok. ASP tags does not mix XML
>>> > documents.
>>> > Otherwise, ASP tags is the most useless thing I've ever heard in PHP
>>> > sphere. I really don't know why wasn't it dropped in PHP5.
>>> >
>>> > That's what I think... IMHO.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > []s,
>>> >
>>> > On 4/13/07, Tijnema ! <tijnema@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> On 4/13/07, Richard Lynch <ceo@l-i-e.com> wrote:
>>> >> > On Fri, April 13, 2007 9:16 am, Tijnema ! wrote:
>>> >> > > I don't see why you are all against dropping the ASP tags. I see
>>> >> > > people using ASP & PHP in one script, what would that do? If
>>> ASP runs
>>> >> > > first then there isn't a problem, but if PHP runs first, it would
>>> >> > > execute the ASP code.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > There are actually people running both PHP and ASP in series to
>>> >> > generate HTML?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > If they are, they can turn ASP tags *OFF* in php.ini
>>> >> >
>>> >> > And they certainly aren't going to be distributing that setup
>>> outside
>>> >> > their own little world...
>>> >>
>>> >> I've seen such code on the net some time ago...
>>> >>
>>> >> But should you distribute PHP code with ASP tags? That's not good
>>> >> either i think. So there's no use of the ASP tags, and they can only
>>> >> interfere with ASP.
>>> >>
>>> >> Tijnema
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
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>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>