Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:28423 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 53590 invoked by uid 1010); 19 Mar 2007 13:56:54 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 53574 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2007 13:56:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Mar 2007 13:56:54 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mls@pooteeweet.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mls@pooteeweet.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain pooteeweet.org from 83.97.120.92 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 83.97.120.92 mail-out-03.swisscom-eurospot.com Received: from [83.97.120.92] ([83.97.120.92:55549] helo=safetwo.sceur.ch) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id CD/2B-33476-4A69EF54 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:56:53 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [217.193.145.242]) by safetwo.sceur.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C6412961B; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <45FE969F.9020704@pooteeweet.org> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:56:47 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Bibbs CC: internals@lists.php.net References: <1174134488.8667.33.camel@lena> <45FC74A5.6080307@pooteeweet.org> <45FE9568.4070509@tonybibbs.com> In-Reply-To: <45FE9568.4070509@tonybibbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] google SoC - dbobj From: mls@pooteeweet.org (Lukas Kahwe Smith) Tony Bibbs wrote: > I agree. I'm a user of Propel (http://propel.phpdb.org) which is in the > user space as you suggest and I think it works fine. The current beta > version of Propel uses PDO so execution speed isn't really a huge FYI: You are mistaken if you think that moving from the old extensions to PDO provides a speed improvement (there is rather decrease unless you are using fetchAll()). > problem. I think the only thing worth considering adding to the C-code > is something to compliment PDO that can collect all the database > metadata that ORM's require. Propel currently does this using Creole And this imho is the thing that should definitely stay in userland. Its a giant hackery to get it to work. This is something people need to be able to adapt quickly. Putting this in C would be a maintenance nightmare. regards, Lukas