Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:27818 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 9792 invoked by uid 1010); 5 Feb 2007 18:26:57 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 9777 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2007 18:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Feb 2007 18:26:57 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=stas@zend.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=stas@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 212.25.124.162 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: stas@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.25.124.162 mail.zend.com Linux 2.5 (sometimes 2.4) (4) Received: from [212.25.124.162] ([212.25.124.162:37479] helo=mail.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 5F/D5-61367-FE677C54 for ; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:26:56 -0500 Received: (qmail 4891 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2007 18:25:13 -0000 Received: from office.zend.office (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (192.168.16.109) by internal.zend.office with SMTP; 5 Feb 2007 18:25:13 -0000 Message-ID: <45C7766D.8050909@zend.com> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:24:45 -0800 Organization: Zend Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Moon CC: internals@lists.php.net References: <011701c7482d$a39f6910$6500a8c0@zend.2k> <28139bc0702040319p6a5cffdbi2e5999d7ebf48662@mail.gmail.com> <45C6DCF5.1000102@dealnews.com> <45C7710D.5030205@zend.com> <45C7747B.3070603@dealnews.com> In-Reply-To: <45C7747B.3070603@dealnews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Syntactic improvement to array From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev) > When a new PHP user asks you "What is an array?" you will understand. If someone is not familiar with the concept of the array at all, it doesn't matter if it's written as array(1,2,3) or [1,2,3]. That's not what we are discussing right now. > Its clear that not all the folks on internals have actually spoken to > the masses of users whose first language is PHP. People don't start As opposed to you who did, I presume. So, judging from your experience, how it is different? How explaining array written as [] so much harder that explaining array written as ()? What exactly constitutes the problem? -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Products Engineer stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/