Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:27575 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 98436 invoked by uid 1010); 21 Jan 2007 23:27:22 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 98421 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2007 23:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Jan 2007 23:27:22 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com from 204.11.219.139 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 204.11.219.139 lerdorf.com Linux 2.5 (sometimes 2.4) (4) Received: from [204.11.219.139] ([204.11.219.139:55569] helo=lerdorf.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B6/A3-06092-9D6F3B54 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:27:22 -0500 Received: from [10.80.115.216] (nat1.sydney.corp.yahoo.com [203.84.216.147]) (authenticated bits=0) by lerdorf.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l0LNRGVZ011929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:27:18 -0800 Message-ID: <45B3F6D2.5020909@lerdorf.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:27:14 +1100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alain Williams CC: internals@lists.php.net References: <45B29E2E.5070808@iamjochem.com> <185335524.20070121004953@marcus-boerger.de> <6ec19ec70701210941w154746e8p7faabf18c74a45b1@mail.gmail.com> <45B3F260.60807@lerdorf.com> <20070121231230.GX2136@mint.phcomp.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20070121231230.GX2136@mint.phcomp.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Is this what Stefan Esser was referring to ...? From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) Alain Williams wrote: > On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 10:08:16AM +1100, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > >> From a bigger perspective, the reason we prefer people to not use the >> PHP name for their projects, especially modified versions of PHP itself, >> is that in the extreme case we want to avoid someone releasing PHP 7 on >> us. That would confuse a lot of people. For better or worse, if >> someone is using PHP they are using code we have control over, so when >> they report a bug or describe a problem we have a pretty good idea about >> how to go about fixing it. If they are using a heavily modified version >> of PHP, then it becomes much harder for us to figure out what is going >> on and by asking people to come up with their own brand for such >> modifications it becomes obvious to everyone involved that there is a >> different codebase involved. > > It is a difficult problem and we need to take care before adopting a stance > on it, look what happened with the Debian firefox/iceweasle debacle. It's not really up for discussion. The decision was reached some 8+ years ago with the adoption of the clause in the license which is quite explicit. -Rasmus