Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:27574 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 97241 invoked by uid 1010); 21 Jan 2007 23:25:30 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 97226 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2007 23:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Jan 2007 23:25:30 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ilia@prohost.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ilia@prohost.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain prohost.org from 64.233.162.237 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ilia@prohost.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 64.233.162.237 nz-out-0506.google.com Linux 2.4/2.6 Received: from [64.233.162.237] ([64.233.162.237:37304] helo=nz-out-0506.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 0C/63-06092-966F3B54 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:25:30 -0500 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k1so896968nzf for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:25:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.133.8 with SMTP id k8mr6403739qbn.1169421927347; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:25:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.6? ( [74.108.69.82]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c5sm5990402qbc.2007.01.21.15.25.26; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:25:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20070121231230.GX2136@mint.phcomp.co.uk> References: <45B29E2E.5070808@iamjochem.com> <185335524.20070121004953@marcus-boerger.de> <6ec19ec70701210941w154746e8p7faabf18c74a45b1@mail.gmail.com> <45B3F260.60807@lerdorf.com> <20070121231230.GX2136@mint.phcomp.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-ID: Cc: Rasmus Lerdorf , Paul Reinheimer , internals@lists.php.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:25:24 -0500 To: Alain Williams X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Is this what Stefan Esser was referring to ...? From: ilia@prohost.org (Ilia Alshanetsky) On 21-Jan-07, at 6:12 PM, Alain Williams wrote: > On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 10:08:16AM +1100, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > >> From a bigger perspective, the reason we prefer people to not use the >> PHP name for their projects, especially modified versions of PHP >> itself, >> is that in the extreme case we want to avoid someone releasing PHP >> 7 on >> us. That would confuse a lot of people. For better or worse, if >> someone is using PHP they are using code we have control over, so >> when >> they report a bug or describe a problem we have a pretty good idea >> about >> how to go about fixing it. If they are using a heavily modified >> version >> of PHP, then it becomes much harder for us to figure out what is >> going >> on and by asking people to come up with their own brand for such >> modifications it becomes obvious to everyone involved that there is a >> different codebase involved. > > It is a difficult problem and we need to take care before adopting > a stance > on it, look what happened with the Debian firefox/iceweasle debacle. That's a decision for PHP Group to make. Personally I think PHP related projects should avoid using "PHP" in their name period as it causes far too many problems for the language itself, since most people fail to distinguish between PHP the language and project trying to gain popularity by shoving "PHP" into its name. Ilia Alshanetsky