Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:27572 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 86418 invoked by uid 1010); 21 Jan 2007 23:08:29 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 86402 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2007 23:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Jan 2007 23:08:29 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com from 204.11.219.139 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 204.11.219.139 lerdorf.com Linux 2.5 (sometimes 2.4) (4) Received: from [204.11.219.139] ([204.11.219.139:55570] helo=lerdorf.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 65/91-06092-C62F3B54 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:08:29 -0500 Received: from [10.80.115.216] (nat1.sydney.corp.yahoo.com [203.84.216.147]) (authenticated bits=0) by lerdorf.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l0LN8IgM009645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:08:23 -0800 Message-ID: <45B3F260.60807@lerdorf.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:08:16 +1100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Reinheimer CC: internals@lists.php.net References: <45B29E2E.5070808@iamjochem.com> <185335524.20070121004953@marcus-boerger.de> <6ec19ec70701210941w154746e8p7faabf18c74a45b1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ec19ec70701210941w154746e8p7faabf18c74a45b1@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Is this what Stefan Esser was referring to ...? From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) Paul Reinheimer wrote: > I think it's rather extreme to be directing any animosity towards > Chris Shiflett on this particular issue, since while he leads that > group, he isn't the lead for that project. I would also not that to > the best of my knowledge (being on that team) that no one has > attempted to bring it up with the people working on the tool. > > I'll bring it up on that mailing list. It's a bit of an edge case. I don't think I ever really considered CSS as being part of the PHP source code, but I suppose technically it is. From a bigger perspective, the reason we prefer people to not use the PHP name for their projects, especially modified versions of PHP itself, is that in the extreme case we want to avoid someone releasing PHP 7 on us. That would confuse a lot of people. For better or worse, if someone is using PHP they are using code we have control over, so when they report a bug or describe a problem we have a pretty good idea about how to go about fixing it. If they are using a heavily modified version of PHP, then it becomes much harder for us to figure out what is going on and by asking people to come up with their own brand for such modifications it becomes obvious to everyone involved that there is a different codebase involved. -Rasmus