Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:27376 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 51948 invoked by uid 1010); 11 Jan 2007 18:01:32 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 51925 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2007 18:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Jan 2007 18:01:32 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ilia@prohost.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ilia@prohost.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain prohost.org from 64.233.166.176 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ilia@prohost.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 64.233.166.176 py-out-1112.google.com Linux 2.4/2.6 Received: from [64.233.166.176] ([64.233.166.176:36003] helo=py-out-1112.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 91/D5-15642-B7B76A54 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:01:31 -0500 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so271791pyi for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:01:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.9.15 with SMTP id m15mr2998567pyi.1168538488796; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:01:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.131? ( [204.101.63.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id w43sm1083985pyg.2007.01.11.10.01.27; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:01:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20070111175317.GJ15998@mint.phcomp.co.uk> References: <20070111144144.GV15998@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <80C94C6E-4646-459E-B695-B072F14378F0@prohost.org> <20070111171152.GH15998@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <20070111172942.GI15998@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <20070111175317.GJ15998@mint.phcomp.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-ID: Cc: PHP Developers Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:01:21 -0500 To: Alain Williams X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Comments on PHP security From: ilia@prohost.org (Ilia Alshanetsky) On 11-Jan-07, at 12:53 PM, Alain Williams wrote: > On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 06:44:35PM +0100, Derick Rethans wrote: > >> That is why there is a concept called "testing" [1] and code coverage >> [2]. >> >> [1]. http://phpunit.de/ >> [2]. http://sebastian-bergmann.de/archives/578-Code-Coverage- >> Reports-with-PHPUnit-3.html > > You are an experienced and careful programmer, that is why you > understand the value > of doing this sort of thing. The trouble is that most PHP > programers are > not experienced and/or careful ... that is *why* many PHP scripts > have nasty bugs in > them. > > As I said: we are looking at ways of helping the sort of person who > would not > come near this mail list. Uhm those are PHP tools for PHP code, what do they have to do with internals. Rather then whining about "if I only had tool XYZ" use what's already widely available. Ilia Alshanetsky