Newsgroups: php.internals
Path: news.php.net
Xref: news.php.net php.internals:26627
Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm
Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net from 140.211.166.39 cause and error)
DomainKey-Status: good
DomainKey-Signature: q=dns; a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws;
	s=mx; d=php.net;
	h=From:Subject:To:Date;
	b=lZs24Aefx2fWgQ2NBqY7ztsAIa9IOwtE/C72RfcktsAFVUyXtLjVvQHAEVqcdOuv
	c+J0wEjTvff3FF3A8J1bHFArq0h0oqGIkxv1ZE+ipwS9rDesARVE1z9Yr1WdJG26
Message-ID: <455B8175.4090300@php.net>
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:07:01 -0800
User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Macintosh/20061025)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:  ceo@l-i-e.com
CC:  internals@lists.php.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Binary strings from 6 in 5.2?
From: pollita@php.net (Sara Golemon)

ceo@l-i-e.com wrote:
> On Tue, November 14, 2006 3:08 pm, Sara Golemon wrote:
>> How many applications out there aren't taking advantage of things like
>> property visibility in PHP5 because they want to remain compatable
>> with
>> the myriad PHP4 installations?  How much are compromises like that
>> slowing PHP5 adoption?
> 
> How many sysadmins and other decision-makers out there aren't adopting
> PHP5.x, much less 6.x, because we've changed too many things too
> quickly in BC-incompatible ways?
> 
> *THAT* is what is slowing the adoption rate, not the applications
> developers not WANTING to use the better code.
> 
> It's the fact that one cannot easily migrate code.
> 
> And while it's trivial for some to set up 5 on another machine and
> proxyhost or whatever, for many folks, that's not really an option.
> 
> I didn't even read the patch, but unless it's guaranteed NOT to break
> anything at all in php4 (yes, 4, not 5):
> -1
> 
I agree with you 100%.  You didn't read the patch.

This isn't introducing a BC break, it's lessening the severity of one 
that already exists.

And yes, I /can/ guarantee that it won't break existing scripts.

-Sara