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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:57:49 -0500
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Namespaces in PHP 6 - ++$take
From: robert@interjinn.com (Robert Cummings)

On Sat, 2006-11-11 at 00:31 +0100, Marcus Boerger wrote:
> Hello Hans,
> 
> Friday, November 10, 2006, 8:30:55 PM, you wrote:
> 
> > Brian Moon wrote:
> >>> Unfortunately namespaces are not only syntactic sugar, but dire
> >>> necessity
> >>> for PHP if it wants to be taken as a serious langauage and defend it's
> >>> position against other arising 'web scripting' alternatives.
> >>
> >> It seems the list of things that PHP needs to be "taken as a serious
> >> langauage" is never ending.  Before PHP 5, all that was needed was
> >> good OOP support.  Now this.  I am for namespaces, but that line is
> >> getting old and I, a professional, serious PHP developer and tired of
> >> hearing it.
> 
> > I think that one reason why this list is never ending is that these
> > languages are constantly moving targets -- I would hope that what people
> > expected of a web development language would evolve over the course of
> > several years.  Daniel's project (coWiki) was one of the first (if not
> > the absolute first) to show us what was possible with PHP5 and
> > Exceptions; that was some pretty serious PHP.  I think what Daniel means
> > is that to remain competitive, PHP needs to include the features that
> > developers have come to expect of a language

Many developers came to PHP in spite of what other developers had come
to expect in other languages.

Cheers,
Rob.
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