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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Namespaces in PHP 6 - ++$take
From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger)

Hello Hans,

Friday, November 10, 2006, 8:30:55 PM, you wrote:

> Brian Moon wrote:
>>> Unfortunately namespaces are not only syntactic sugar, but dire
>>> necessity
>>> for PHP if it wants to be taken as a serious langauage and defend it's
>>> position against other arising 'web scripting' alternatives.
>>
>> It seems the list of things that PHP needs to be "taken as a serious
>> langauage" is never ending.  Before PHP 5, all that was needed was
>> good OOP support.  Now this.  I am for namespaces, but that line is
>> getting old and I, a professional, serious PHP developer and tired of
>> hearing it.

> I think that one reason why this list is never ending is that these
> languages are constantly moving targets -- I would hope that what people
> expected of a web development language would evolve over the course of
> several years.  Daniel's project (coWiki) was one of the first (if not
> the absolute first) to show us what was possible with PHP5 and
> Exceptions; that was some pretty serious PHP.  I think what Daniel means
> is that to remain competitive, PHP needs to include the features that
> developers have come to expect of a language -- and developers are
> constantly changing, maturing, working on bigger & bigger projects,
> integrating more & more components.  I think PHP has been very
> responsive to the needs of the constantly maturing user community,
> drastically changing its language to support new & better OOP,
> Exceptions, etc.  Indeed, this responsiveness to an increasingly OO
> userbase is why many of us who started with PHP are still using it
> today.  Namespaces may be the most fervent request lately, but it would
> be very sad for PHP if it were to be the last.

Very nice writing, I completley agree. The world is changing, so are
computer languages, so will we... :-)

Best regards,
 Marcus