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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] New Datetime class problem
From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine)

Ilia Alshanetsky wrote:
> 
> On 5-Nov-06, at 6:30 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
> 
>> Ilia Alshanetsky wrote:
>>
>>> The language always has the best pick of namespaces, this is not just 
>>> PHP, but ANY language. The fact we've made a compromise and allows 
>>> PEAR to retain the date class IMO has been a horrible mistake, one 
>>> hopefully not to be repeated in the future.
>>
>> I never used the PEAR Date - it was crap - but all my applications 
>> failed with your new one BECAUSE Date was the obvious name for that 
>> package. I STILL can not see why we can't just select these things as 
>> I do in C++ and include your new function if I want or keep with my 
>> own established version - what ever the name. This new stuff does not 
>> HAVE to be hard coded into the core - simply loadable like any other 
>> good extensible language? If we don't want it we don't load it! I 
>> don't need any database stuff other than Firebird - therefore I want a 
>> DATE and TIME package that follows Firebird rules end of story.
> 
> You seem to be under the assumption that people care about what it is 
> that you want, reality is that most people could care less. That said 
> this is an open source project, so rather then pointless whining on the 
> list you can always tweak the source code to your needs, such is the 
> beauty of the open source software.

Then perhaps it is about time that we cut a version of PHP that does 
what users want rather than a few developers :)

The whole point here is that ISP's install this stuff so we have to work 
with the version that ISP's install. We have had a number of major 
crap-up's caused by making non-compatible changes and most of the time 
all that was needed was a simple switch to enable that new code *IF* it 
was needed. *YOU* should care that people want to use PHP or perhaps you 
are more of a mind to take the Microsoft attitude - sod the 'cuctomers' 
we will do what we want! But then Microsoft are now getting involved so 
perhaps that's to be expected ;)

Personally I'm more than happy with PHP 5.0.4 and that is what is in MY 
customer sites, but other suppliers are upgrading when THEY want to, and 
so I then have to go round and make sure all MY code still works. *I* 
was lead to believe that the next BC break would come with PHP6 - but 
then you can't trust people no to change the rules when they feel like 
it :(

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