Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:26238 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 58626 invoked by uid 1010); 24 Oct 2006 22:02:09 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 58611 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2006 22:02:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 24 Oct 2006 22:02:09 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=iliaal@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=good Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=iliaal@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 66.249.82.236 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: good X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: iliaal@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 66.249.82.236 wx-out-0506.google.com Linux 2.4/2.6 Received: from [66.249.82.236] ([66.249.82.236:36549] helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 12/BB-09182-E5D8E354 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:02:08 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so2607739wxc for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:02:04 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer:sender; b=FxbtM+FU3mOFf+fhipYCQFVKtICukYAKppTI6yMrVq5JQkG4Wxb2nSWDX9VL+jyTqaapciaPJITMk2kA0fe4jBxAOFySJp6eM+JRFqfkZUnS7vasigiaVOIVg0n4Az0KD3QaDtUiPCpHrcYC0SwqiZadTfjP/cutzMWFU2raTz8= Received: by 10.65.210.18 with SMTP id m18mr8284936qbq; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.6? ( [74.108.69.82]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id e18sm1473188qba.2006.10.24.15.02.03; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:02:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <453E6807.5050000@generationphp.net> References: <1485570655.20061023210857@marcus-boerger.de> <7.0.1.0.2.20061024074914.0d744b08@zend.com> <453E6807.5050000@generationphp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-ID: <5CF01374-C252-461A-8DD6-C5BF4F2A1043@prohost.org> Cc: Zeev Suraski , Marcus Boerger , internals@lists.php.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:01:54 -0400 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mathieu_Gagn=E9?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Sender: Ilia Alshanetsky Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] E_DEPRECATED From: ilia@prohost.org (Ilia Alshanetsky) On 24-Oct-06, at 3:22 PM, Mathieu Gagn=E9 wrote: > ]As a system administrator, I must disagree with your opinion as =20 > most users don't care about error_log file. I have see a lot of =20 > servers with about 6GB of error_log filled with E_NOTICE AND =20 > E_WARNING. Many ISPs often make 2 mistakes when it comes to log files. First =20 they make all users use the same one, which means you potentially =20 have hundreds of applications dumping errors into the same file =20 making it grow quickly and impossible to find something in it. Which =20 discourages users from looking in those files. The second mistake is =20 often not giving the users access to the file or simply not letting =20 them know where such a file can be found. Ilia Alshanetsky