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Cc: php internals LIST <internals@lists.php.net>,
 Marcus Boerger <helly@php.net>
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:32:21 -0400
To: Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com>
Sender: Ilia Alshanetsky <iliaal@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Why 5.2 should not be delayed for E_DEPRECATED
From: ilia@prohost.org (Ilia Alshanetsky)

Zeev,

There are probably 5-6 new fatal errors in the engine since 5.1, some  
of which cannot be delegated to lower error reporting modes as they  
may cause engine instability or similar problems. Rasmus was going to  
make a list of all the newly added engine error changes, hopefully  
he'll have that list soon.


On 24-Oct-06, at 2:55 AM, Zeev Suraski wrote:

> Ilia,
>
> I think Wez's suggestion is the most practical one.  Let's make  
> sure we haven't introduced any fatal errors into 5.2 (and demote  
> them to E_STRICT for now), and handle the rest of the suggestions  
> afterwards.
>
> Zeev
>
> At 02:33 24/10/2006, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote:
>> I've been reading people's replies to Marcus' RFC in regard to
>> E_DEPRECATED and it seems that some people have expressed the want to
>> delay 5.2 until mucking around with error handling is done one way or
>> another. My simple answer to this is no.
>>
>> The long answer is as follows.
>>
>> PHP 5.2.0 is not the last 5.X release, there will be more patch level
>> versions and at the very least at least one more major version, so we
>> should not be trying to stuff every single feature under the sun
>> into  it as if it was the end of the 5 series. Furthermore, it makes
>> little sense to make drastic error handling changes this late in the
>> game, rushing the decision process and possibly excluding developers
>> who do not read the list every day or are currently away. It should
>> go through an extensive peer review and comment process, be tested,
>> tried with real applications to see what breaks and so on, this is
>> not a trivial change. Another words it is too major of a change to do
>> at the last minute, rushing it will only lead to problems we'd end up
>> cleaning up for many more releases to come. We also need to remember
>> that 5.2 is already way behind schedule, which is important because
>> it contains a fair number of security fixes, without which a good
>> number of users are vulnerable to a variety of exploits. Delaying the
>> release means not deploying those fixes and in my opinion is a
>> disservice to all users of PHP.
>>
>> In my opinion we need to make a release, continue considering
>> Marcus' RFC, develop a patch and push it to our real development tree
>> PHP 6.0. If it proves to be solid and does not break (m)any
>> applications it would be the first candidate to back-port to 5 series
>> once 5.3 is under consideration.
>>
>>
>> Ilia Alshanetsky
>>
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