Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:25283 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 21089 invoked by uid 1010); 10 Aug 2006 11:46:04 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 21065 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 11:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 11:46:02 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=michael.walter@gmail.com; domainkeys=good DomainKey-Status: good X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: michael.walter@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 64.233.182.184 nf-out-0910.google.com Linux 2.4/2.6 Received: from ([64.233.182.184:31318] helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.3 r(11751M)) with ESMTP id AE/08-08715-0031BD44 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:05:36 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p48so536142nfa for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:05:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WoS1tOI6Pvsp6QFoGfd2LEkXCO9G3xeEEC0fTAwxbyq5vap04Q0e7tYrKlugFwJn/xcKqaw4XRnO4vJiVoTxkzC8gLiD9MuU1fAChSRDjiOzkmTBCu/NmtFMwAnhpNuGLkVG84uSWXxZZa8/jyZrjZXM/tAmA/UeOCoia+MPWxM= Received: by 10.78.151.15 with SMTP id y15mr1174833hud; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.3 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <877e9a170608100405r6b93ed60h27e28fb90f2e27d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:05:33 +0200 To: "Lukas Kahwe Smith" Cc: Pierre , internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: <44DB12C5.9020303@php.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <877e9a170608100302n6407821dw5e55187332b74f4f@mail.gmail.com> <44DB0DB5.6000707@php.net> <877e9a170608100354n239cd1f0q1f44bef9680ce91d@mail.gmail.com> <44DB12C5.9020303@php.net> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Fatal errors From: michael.walter@gmail.com ("Michael Walter") That doesn't justify the error being non-recoverable, though. Regards, Michael On 8/10/06, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > Pierre wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > On 8/10/06, Michael Walter wrote: > >> Yeah. It is problematic that the application has no chance of dealing > >> with the errors itself (consider e.g. php-shell which has to go great > >> lengths to prevent fatal errors from user code leading to php-shell's > >> termination, and still fails at doing this in the general case). > > > > Why object should act differently than other php variables or > > constants? Undefined constant, variable, index or offset do not raise > > a fatal error. It should be the same for the object (constants, props, > > visibility,...). > > Well for privat variables it is kind of different in that someone > specifically said "this variable/property exists, but you may only > access is from inside and not from the outside". > > regards, > Lukas > >