Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:25093 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 30973 invoked by uid 1010); 1 Aug 2006 23:21:36 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 30958 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 23:21:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 23:21:35 -0000 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: cschneid@cschneid.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 195.226.6.42 darkcity.gna.ch Linux 2.5 (sometimes 2.4) (4) Received: from ([195.226.6.42:42564] helo=darkcity.gna.ch) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.3 r(11751M)) with ESMTP id 4E/43-45114-EF1EFC44 for ; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:21:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkcity.gna.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id D451EBB0B0; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 01:21:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from unknown by localhost (amavisd-new, unix socket) id client-XXuASLfn; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 01:21:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.43] (217-162-171-242.dclient.hispeed.ch [217.162.171.242]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by darkcity.gna.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DB8BB0AE; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 01:21:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44CFE1EA.4090001@cschneid.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 01:21:14 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Macintosh/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rasmus Lerdorf CC: PHP Developers Mailing List References: <18810497049.20060801234124@marcus-boerger.de> <44CFDB2B.1010907@cschneid.com> <20060802010156.5be0258c@pierre-u64> <44CFDF89.6010506@lerdorf.com> In-Reply-To: <44CFDF89.6010506@lerdorf.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gna.ch Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RfC: rethink OO inheritance strictness From: cschneid@cschneid.com (Christian Schneider) Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > trying to meet a new class of expectations. We have kids coming out of > universities today who barely know what procedural programming is. All > they know is OOP and we want to give them something that meets their > expectations. We have to be careful that we don't ignore too many OOP > rules or we would fail to meet these expectations. The PHP way is not So give them a superset of what they expect (i.e. the status quo of PHP) and everybody is happy. They can still use E_NOTICE for bondage mode (like having to initialize all variables and stuff). - Chris