Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:23695 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 36086 invoked by uid 1010); 26 May 2006 09:44:03 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 36070 invoked from network); 26 May 2006 09:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 May 2006 09:44:03 -0000 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lsmith@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.112.227.169 ipx11223.ipxserver.de Linux 2.5 (sometimes 2.4) (4) Received: from ([212.112.227.169:48852] helo=ipx11223.ipxserver.de) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.0 beta r(6323M)) with SMTP id A7/86-17316-3EDC6744 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 05:44:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ipx11223.ipxserver.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236BDDF0090; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:45:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ipx11223.ipxserver.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ipx11223 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22936-09; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:45:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (i577B613E.versanet.de [87.123.97.62]) by ipx11223.ipxserver.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5033FDF006E; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:45:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4476CDD6.8060907@php.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:43:50 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zeev Suraski Cc: Marcus Boerger , internals@lists.php.net References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060523034511.07f184b0@zend.com> <989944118.20060523202907@marcus-boerger.de> <7.0.1.0.2.20060525140046.09161b78@zend.com> <157365036.20060525224444@marcus-boerger.de> <7.0.1.0.2.20060526004903.0bce8a30@zend.com> <4e89b4260605251914m76b37b08sfd93275bc4856244@mail.gmail.com> <0b9f01c68081$d2d79c80$6602a8c0@foxbox> <628207220.20060526104658@marcus-boerger.de> <7.0.1.0.2.20060526115704.082021f0@zend.com> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060526115704.082021f0@zend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by somedaemon at backendmedia.com Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] ze1 compatibility mode From: lsmith@php.net (Lukas Smith) Zeev Suraski wrote: > Marcus, > > For the sake of world peace, let's say you're absolutely right. Let's > be done with this compat mode case study. > > The important point is for the future - announce compatibility breaking > changes (removal of features, major changes to features) clearly on > internals@, in a dedicated email inviting discussion. If you get no > feedback - be persistent and ask for even those that support it to move > forward and say so. > > Listing it in a shopping list of new features for the next version is > important, but only after such a discussion takes place. I think such things should be listed and planned on a web page. Be that the wiki system I put up, or some file on phpweb CVS. It should be a place where developers (and users) can see what is under discussion, what is decided and when to expect the change as well links to related documentation. That way it is easy for people to get up to speed with things and see when what decisions were made. regards, Lukas PS: I think the wiki is really showing how useful it is. I have no problem managing ACL's for the site. However I think it would get used even more actively if the ACL's would be derived from cvs.php.net .. It also does not necessarily need to be a wiki, though I think its convinient for these kinds of documents.