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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] ze1 compatibility mode
From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski)

Marcus,

For the sake of world peace, let's say you're absolutely 
right.  Let's be done with this compat mode case study.

The important point is for the future - announce compatibility 
breaking changes (removal of features, major changes to features) 
clearly on internals@, in a dedicated email inviting discussion.  If 
you get no feedback - be persistent and ask for even those that 
support it to move forward and say so.

Listing it in a shopping list of new features for the next version is 
important, but only after such a discussion takes place.

Zeev


At 11:46 26/05/2006, Marcus Boerger wrote:
>Hello Steph,
>
>   i somehow get really nervous and sober on this. Please don't force
>your point of view over everybody and please don't let your view be
>guided by your mail filters. It has been announced long enough. And
>everybody was free to reply to this.
>
>Friday, May 26, 2006, 7:04:08 AM, you wrote:
>
> > That's because there wasn't one...
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Wez Furlong" <kingwez@gmail.com>
> > To: "Zeev Suraski" <zeev@zend.com>
> > Cc: "Marcus Boerger" <helly@php.net>; <internals@lists.php.net>
> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 4:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] ze1 compatibility mode
>
>
> > FWIW, I don't remember a discussion on this for PHP 5 either.
>
> > --Wez.
>
> > On 5/25/06, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote:
> >> At 23:44 25/05/2006, Marcus Boerger wrote:
> >> >Hello Zeev,
> >> >
> >> >Thursday, May 25, 2006, 1:04:59 PM, you wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > At 21:29 23/05/2006, Marcus Boerger wrote:
> >> > >>Hello Zeev,
> >> > >>
> >> > >>See here: http://oss.backendmedia.com/PhP52
> >> > >>     12. 4. Drop ZE1 compatibility Done (marcus)
> >> >
> >> > > (Sorry for the slow response, I'm traveling)
> >> >
> >> > > Yeah that's fine, but it was never discussed at all let alone decided
> >> > > upon...  IMHO it doesn't make sense to remove that in PHP 5.x - it's
> >> > > not a great feature, but some people are using it, and we're not
> >> > > gaining anything from making their lives more difficult.
> >> >
> >> > > Can you please revert this patch, and only remove it in PHP 6.0
> >> > as we agreed?
> >> >
> >> >No i cannot. And there was an open discussion. And you weren't intersted
> >> >at
> >> >that time.
> >>
> >> As I said, can you point me to that open discussion?  I found no
> >> references to it of any sort.  The first email that mentioned it is
> >> from Ilia, listing a list of things for PHP 5.2, with this among
> >> them.  Just in case it's not clear, that does not constitute discussion :)