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Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 00:28:36 +0200
Reply-To: Marcus Boerger <helly@php.net>
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To: Richard Lynch <ceo@l-i-e.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Flamewar Summary
From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger)

Hello Richard,

  well my mail was a bit out of context or at the wrong reply to Sebastian.
He was talking about issues with callin static functions with bypassing
$this as a parameter....

best regards
marcus

Friday, May 19, 2006, 12:22:36 AM, you wrote:

>>> Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>>>>> Addition of support for dynamic statics ala: class foo {}
>>>>> foo::$bar = 1;

> On Wed, May 17, 2006 2:03 pm, Marcus Boerger wrote:
>>   there is a technical issue besides slowdown. We have to work around
>> the
>> fact that suddenly a function might get $this as a normal variable
>> (remember
>> the examples give on this list included that). Right now $this is
>> handled by
>> a special zval not stored in the local or global symol table bit
>> EG(this).
>> This will become a major maintanance hell. Also allowing $this as
>> normal
>> variable again will confuse people because suddenly after 5.1 they are
>> under some circumstances suddenly able to change $this. That said, we
>> will
>> also get a bunch of new bug reports, but who cares, it's the others
>> dealing
>> with them. And all for what? to refuse using globals as they are to
>> php'isch? or to use an array in a declared sttaic variable as that can
>> already be done and is also far to php'ish?

> I'm not sure it helps, or even if I understand the problem, but
> perhaps...

> A reasonable compromise might be that only scalars could be used for a
> late-binding static foo::$bar = VALUE;

> Similar to what is (used to be?) allow for variable initialization
> within a class definition.

> Or, perhaps, scalars and arrays of scalars allowed, but NO OBJECTS.

> It seems like the majority of people who find this late-binding static
> stuff useful are not really wanting to cram instance references, much
> less $this into there...

> This presumes that whatever was done for class property initialization
> could be readily repeated at the junction of an assignment to a static
> property, which might be a completely incorrect assumption.

> This is also post-vote, which might render it meaningless, which is
> fine  -- just an idea if the vote is inconclusive or turns out to be
> void.

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Best regards,
 Marcus