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Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:22:36 -0500 (CDT)
To: "Marcus Boerger" <helly@php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Flamewar Summary
From: ceo@l-i-e.com ("Richard Lynch")

>> Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>>>> Addition of support for dynamic statics ala: class foo {}
>>>> foo::$bar = 1;

On Wed, May 17, 2006 2:03 pm, Marcus Boerger wrote:
>   there is a technical issue besides slowdown. We have to work around
> the
> fact that suddenly a function might get $this as a normal variable
> (remember
> the examples give on this list included that). Right now $this is
> handled by
> a special zval not stored in the local or global symol table bit
> EG(this).
> This will become a major maintanance hell. Also allowing $this as
> normal
> variable again will confuse people because suddenly after 5.1 they are
> under some circumstances suddenly able to change $this. That said, we
> will
> also get a bunch of new bug reports, but who cares, it's the others
> dealing
> with them. And all for what? to refuse using globals as they are to
> php'isch? or to use an array in a declared sttaic variable as that can
> already be done and is also far to php'ish?

I'm not sure it helps, or even if I understand the problem, but
perhaps...

A reasonable compromise might be that only scalars could be used for a
late-binding static foo::$bar = VALUE;

Similar to what is (used to be?) allow for variable initialization
within a class definition.

Or, perhaps, scalars and arrays of scalars allowed, but NO OBJECTS.

It seems like the majority of people who find this late-binding static
stuff useful are not really wanting to cram instance references, much
less $this into there...

This presumes that whatever was done for class property initialization
could be readily repeated at the junction of an assignment to a static
property, which might be a completely incorrect assumption.

This is also post-vote, which might render it meaningless, which is
fine  -- just an idea if the vote is inconclusive or turns out to be
void.

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