Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:23475 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 48920 invoked by uid 1010); 16 May 2006 21:37:51 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 48904 invoked from network); 16 May 2006 21:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 May 2006 21:37:51 -0000 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: helly@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 81.169.182.136 ajaxatwork.net Linux 2.4/2.6 Received: from ([81.169.182.136:59633] helo=strato.aixcept.de) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.0 beta r(6323M)) with SMTP id BB/F1-19568-E264A644 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:37:50 -0400 Received: from baumbart.mbo (dslb-084-063-059-004.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.63.59.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by strato.aixcept.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94B435C1E9; Tue, 16 May 2006 23:37:47 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 23:37:53 +0200 Reply-To: Marcus Boerger X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <596643859.20060516233753@marcus-boerger.de> To: Andi Gutmans Cc: Zeev Suraski , PHP internals In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060516142654.02c78380@zend.com> References: <785810036.20060511193536@ionzoft.com> <44647B7A.2070301@php.net> <932738738.20060513112734@marcus-boerger.de> <837405862.20060513223403@ionzoft.com> <36828701.20060514110529@marcus-boerger.de> <31269879.20060514221212@marcus-boerger.de> <1327845846.20060514222154@marcus-boerger.de> <1562034641.20060516203354@marcus-boerger.de> <7.0.1.0.2.20060516235201.090f10a8@zend.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060516142654.02c78380@zend.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] private, protected, readonly, public From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger) Hello Andi, that is why most here already switched to "public readable". best regards marcus Tuesday, May 16, 2006, 11:31:14 PM, you wrote: > I can't quite explain it but for me the ability to work-around > private with methods which are able to access the private variable, > is different than marking a property as read-only but it not being > read-only in all semantics. Probably because private variables do > often have getters and setters, whereas something which is marked as > read-only (like a harddrive) tends to be read-only always. > Andi > At 02:08 PM 5/16/2006, Zeev Suraski wrote: >>>However, the reason i write this mail is that you said there could be >>>problems. Well this is deply integrated in the handlers and they don't >>>let you out. In other words if this stuff is not working then the whole >>>PHP 5+ object model is broken. Or in other words, if this is broken alot >>>of other stuff regarding object handling is already broken. >> >>You're probably right about this one. You can already return a >>reference to a private variable today and change it. Andi - did you >>mean something else? Best regards, Marcus