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Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 20:42:32 +0200
Reply-To: Marcus Boerger <helly@php.net>
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To: Stefan Esser <sesser@php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Release Process Sucks
From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger)

Hello Stefan,

Monday, May 15, 2006, 6:32:25 PM, you wrote:

> Hello Andi,
>> I don't see why this attack is directed at Zend people working on PHP,
>> where the release process is completely a community driven effort (and
>> last time I checked, no enterprise was involved in that process either).
> Well I don't see why Zend people commit code that obviously broke a key
> functionality without testing it. And then Zend people come out under
> the trees and speak up that our testers are doing bad jobs. It is true
> that obviously NOONE has tested the code, because otherwise it would
> have been seen instantly.

To rephrase Andi "So people screw up. I prefer having the occasional
screw up then less people helping out." We are a community [...]
What we need is more helping hands and less comlaining notes. Actually
we are constantly working on increasing or QA efforts. And from my
point Ilia so far has done a very good job. A few minor mistakes so
far maybe.

marcus