Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:23386 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 41313 invoked by uid 1010); 15 May 2006 17:33:31 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 41298 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 17:33:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 May 2006 17:33:31 -0000 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: antony@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 80.74.107.235 mail.zend.com Linux 2.5 (sometimes 2.4) (4) Received: from ([80.74.107.235:37160] helo=mail.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.0 beta r(6323M)) with SMTP id 90/05-19568-A6BB8644 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:33:31 -0400 Received: (qmail 15927 invoked from network); 15 May 2006 17:33:18 -0000 Received: from internal.zend.office (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (10.1.1.1) by internal.zend.office with SMTP; 15 May 2006 17:33:18 -0000 Message-ID: <4468BB63.3000203@zend.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:33:23 +0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Esser CC: Andi Gutmans , PHP internals References: <4468848D.5020602@php.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20060515091102.044df950@zend.com> <4468AD19.5020306@php.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20060515094147.02b55a70@zend.com> <4468B5EB.7000602@php.net> In-Reply-To: <4468B5EB.7000602@php.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Release Process Sucks From: antony@zend.com (Antony Dovgal) On 15.05.2006 21:10, Stefan Esser wrote: > Hey Andi >> My point was that this has nothing to do with Zend or not Zend. > My point is not that someone from Zend broke it, but that someone from > Zend blamed the community that THEY failed to find the problem. I > thought Zend is enough into PHP to test their own products against RC's, > too. It makes me angry that in the last months again and again people > who earn their money with PHP come and insult those who work on PHP for > free and do all the hard work. Oh, no.. You said it. I get NO MONEY for testing PHP, fixing bugs, writing tests, helping users to solve their own problems @ bugs.php.net, maintaining several my own PECL modules etc. etc. This is all my own "just for fun" job that I do in my spare time FOR FREE. So it makes me a bit angry when someone who did nothing (except for a couple of mails to internals@) for PHP since December starts treating me and Dmitry (who's one of the most active PHP contributors) like a millionaires who earned their millions from poor PHP community. Whether you want it or not, but we are the part of this community and yes, it was partly MY own fault that the bug has slipped in. So please stop your trolling session and start writing new tests or at least doing something more productive than you're doing now. Thank you. -- Wbr, Antony Dovgal