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Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 18:31:10 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] E_ALL changes in 5.2/6.0
From: steph@zend.com ("Steph Fox")

>> Why would anyone have E_ALL switched on anywhere but a dev box?
>
> Working with Phorum, I get to peer into lots of different hosting 
> companies setups when helping my users.  I have seen many hosts that do 
> have E_ALL enabled and do not log errors because they have no way to 
> provide that log back to their users.  Nor would the users have a 
> comprehension of the error log.
>
> For the enterprise, I would believe that nearly all production servers 
> shield error output from web pages in one way or another.  However, I 
> believe that PHP has its roots in the small web site.  If you start making 
> it hard on them to upgrade, you will see hosts that never upgrade their 
> PHP versions.

That should be as simple as explicitly offering

;E_ALL & ~E_STRICT

in the php.ini (and of course in the upgrade notes too). PHP 5 has been out 
there for 2 years now, I find it hard to believe that anyone involved - host 
or user - isn't aware that E_STRICT is on its way. Greg wrote earlier that 
the biggest issue PEAR has with E_STRICT nowadays comes when non-declared 
statics are called.  Seriously, people writing that kind of code aren't 
likely to be naive users.

I think it's going to be far worse if code that runs cleanly under PHP 4 
throws a fatal error in PHP 6 with no mention of it being problematic in 
between!

- Steph