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Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:18:16 -0700
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Seeking 'coalesce' php internal function
From: jared@intuitivefuture.com (Jared White)

On May 4, 2006, at 2:06 PM, Pierre wrote:

> On Thu, 04 May 2006 14:27:09 -0500
> dante@vocalspace.com ("D. Dante Lorenso") wrote:
>
>> Detracting from my goal of having 'filled()' included in core, I'd
>> have to say that as I see input filtering defined, that could be
>> entirely written as part of Zend Framework in PHP and doesn't need to
>> exist as part of the language core.  filled(), OTOH, must be written
>> in 'zend' core because it simply can not be written as an extension
>> or in userspace without triggering errors (undefined variables) or
>> creating unwanted variables (pass by reference).
>
> I think it is time for you to do two things. The first is to read this
> list archive about ifsetor (and other names it has), it will spare you
> some ink and us some bandwidth. The second is to actually try the
> filter extension and get some knowledge about what can be done where
> and why. There is eventually a third one, try to imagine than the Z
> Framework has nothing to do with php.net.
>
> It is not an attack, but it seems you are putting so much effort on
> this topic without actually having read what has been said and  
> decided.

Well, from where I'm setting, Dante has brought up excellent points  
that were never covered before according to my look at the list  
archives. In fact, I find this situation indicative of a larger  
problem, which is that extremely important discussions of major  
issues with the language get breezed by far too quickly just because  
someone decides it's not interesting enough or it's time to move on  
(*cough* named parameters *cough*). I think the concept behind filled 
() is sound, has merit, and is worth talking about seriously.

Jared