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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Static properties
From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger)

Hello Jochem,

Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 9:39:40 PM, you wrote:

> Marcus Boerger wrote:
>> Hello Jochem,

> hi Marcus,

>>>(anyone with the argument that PHP!=Ruby or PHP!=Javascript might consider that
>>>PHP!="the OO paradigm")
>> 
>> 
>> PHP simply supports its own set and view of OO.
>> 

> indeed, which is more than fair, but I doubt you would deny that the 'set/view'
> you speak of is set in stone - then goals post do move now and again because of
> new developer wishes and/or insights into usage in the real world.

It turned out that nothing really is set in stone in PHP.

>> 
>>>>
>>>>>Was this not possible because of the engine implementation of the static
>>>>>properties?
>>>>>
>> 
>> 
>> It is just some decision that was taken that the newer OO stuff should be a
>> bit more strict.

> 'a bit'? ;-) that said your answer is honest and to the point and makes the
> position of the devs clear - which is a good thing - knowing exactly what kind of
> dogfood is on offer allows for informed decision by the user.

> I realise that it must be difficult to strike a balance between those that
> strive to drive the language to ever greater heights of
> <buzzword>enterprise-readiness</buzzword>
> and the lower echalons that protest/struggle against/with the increasing
> strictness of the language. (personally I find myself in between ... and sometimes
> finding it hard to keep my existing code compliant :-)

balance is the keyword here.

>> 
>> Best regards,
>>  Marcus

> many thanks for your clarification.

no problem

Best regards,
 Marcus