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Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:56:54 -0800
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] True labelled breaks
From: andi@zend.com (Andi Gutmans)

Yeah but my point was that even people for who it isn't scary (the 
devs) don't use it very much :) It's just something which isn't 
needed very often. So we're wasting lots of bandwidth on something 
which not many will use anyway :)

Andi

At 02:54 PM 2/18/2006, Steph Fox wrote:
>Agreed it's not used very much. That's because people like me think 
>it's scary :)  and that's _exactly_ what I was trying to say.
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Andi Gutmans" <andi@zend.com>
>To: "Steph Fox" <steph@zend.com>; "internals" <internals@lists.php.net>
>Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:48 AM
>Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] True labelled breaks
>
>
>>It's just something which to begin with isn't used that much.
>>Grep'ed phpweb/ for it and found 0 occurrences of break n; and I 
>>believe the people developing it would be the ones who would know 
>>how to use it.
>>
>>Andi
>>
>>At 02:33 PM 2/18/2006, Steph Fox wrote:
>>>I personally find working with numbers difficult, which is why I'm 
>>>wholly in support of this patch.
>>>
>>>I doubt I'm the only PHP user with that issue, due to the 'ease of 
>>>use' that allows people with no history of computer science to 
>>>write useful scripts (for which, thank you all). But I wouldn't 
>>>expect a great deal of sympathy on that point from CS graduates.
>>>
>>>nb I think implementing goto/equivalent itself is a fairly bad 
>>>idea - I appear to be in the minority on that issue. But I don't 
>>>see any problem with introducing labels, I just see it as a more 
>>>user-friendly way of allowing nested breaks.
>>>
>>>Am I very wrong?
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Andi Gutmans" <andi@zend.com>
>>>To: "Steph Fox" <steph@zend.com>; "internals" <internals@lists.php.net>
>>>Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:30 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] True labelled breaks
>>>
>>>
>>>>I think that in 1997 when break/continue n where implemented it 
>>>>would have been a nice idea, but at this stage except for being 
>>>>more elegant than break/continue n it doesn't truly add anything 
>>>>substantial to PHP (and as you already mentioned it's orthogonal 
>>>>to the goto discussion). I think having more than 1 way of doing 
>>>>the same thing, in this case, might just end up confusing people 
>>>>developing with PHP (i.e. the Perl way :)
>>>>
>>>>Just for the record I am coming at this from an open mind. Dmitry 
>>>>did spend time on this patch, etc...
>>>>
>>>>I'd recommend to bed it once and for all.
>>>>
>>>>At 09:16 AM 2/18/2006, Steph Fox wrote:
>>>>>Guys and guyess,
>>>>>
>>>>>Sara and Dmitry's patch to introduce labelled breaks was 
>>>>>discussed on internals@ ever-so-briefly at the beginning of 
>>>>>December, but there was never any decision made over it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Given that practically everyone who survived the preceding GOTO 
>>>>>discussion seemed to think it was a good idea at the time, could 
>>>>>you please re-visit it, evaluate it, discuss it (as opposed to 
>>>>>talking about GOTO, which is unrelated) and either OK it or put 
>>>>>it to bed for once and for all?
>>>>>
>>>>>Relevant summary is at http://www.zend.com/zend/week/week265.php#Heading3
>>>>>Relevant patch is at http://www.zend.com/zend/week/pat/index.php
>>>>>
>>>>>And if it's worth anything, +1 from me.
>>>>>
>>>>>- Steph
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