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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] True labelled breaks
From: steph@zend.com ("Steph Fox")

Agreed it's not used very much. That's because people like me think it's 
scary :)  and that's _exactly_ what I was trying to say.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andi Gutmans" <andi@zend.com>
To: "Steph Fox" <steph@zend.com>; "internals" <internals@lists.php.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] True labelled breaks


> It's just something which to begin with isn't used that much.
> Grep'ed phpweb/ for it and found 0 occurrences of break n; and I believe 
> the people developing it would be the ones who would know how to use it.
>
> Andi
>
> At 02:33 PM 2/18/2006, Steph Fox wrote:
>>I personally find working with numbers difficult, which is why I'm wholly 
>>in support of this patch.
>>
>>I doubt I'm the only PHP user with that issue, due to the 'ease of use' 
>>that allows people with no history of computer science to write useful 
>>scripts (for which, thank you all). But I wouldn't expect a great deal of 
>>sympathy on that point from CS graduates.
>>
>>nb I think implementing goto/equivalent itself is a fairly bad idea - I 
>>appear to be in the minority on that issue. But I don't see any problem 
>>with introducing labels, I just see it as a more user-friendly way of 
>>allowing nested breaks.
>>
>>Am I very wrong?
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Andi Gutmans" <andi@zend.com>
>>To: "Steph Fox" <steph@zend.com>; "internals" <internals@lists.php.net>
>>Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:30 PM
>>Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] True labelled breaks
>>
>>
>>>I think that in 1997 when break/continue n where implemented it would 
>>>have been a nice idea, but at this stage except for being more elegant 
>>>than break/continue n it doesn't truly add anything substantial to PHP 
>>>(and as you already mentioned it's orthogonal to the goto discussion). I 
>>>think having more than 1 way of doing the same thing, in this case, might 
>>>just end up confusing people developing with PHP (i.e. the Perl way :)
>>>
>>>Just for the record I am coming at this from an open mind. Dmitry did 
>>>spend time on this patch, etc...
>>>
>>>I'd recommend to bed it once and for all.
>>>
>>>At 09:16 AM 2/18/2006, Steph Fox wrote:
>>>>Guys and guyess,
>>>>
>>>>Sara and Dmitry's patch to introduce labelled breaks was discussed on 
>>>>internals@ ever-so-briefly at the beginning of December, but there was 
>>>>never any decision made over it.
>>>>
>>>>Given that practically everyone who survived the preceding GOTO 
>>>>discussion seemed to think it was a good idea at the time, could you 
>>>>please re-visit it, evaluate it, discuss it (as opposed to talking about 
>>>>GOTO, which is unrelated) and either OK it or put it to bed for once and 
>>>>for all?
>>>>
>>>>Relevant summary is at 
>>>>http://www.zend.com/zend/week/week265.php#Heading3
>>>>Relevant patch is at http://www.zend.com/zend/week/pat/index.php
>>>>
>>>>And if it's worth anything, +1 from me.
>>>>
>>>>- Steph
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