Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:21549 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 67324 invoked by uid 1010); 15 Jan 2006 18:04:11 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 67309 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2006 18:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Jan 2006 18:04:11 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 81.103.221.48 mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com Solaris 8 (1) Received: from ([81.103.221.48:3746] helo=mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.0 beta r(6323M)) with SMTP id A9/48-13436-A9E8AC34 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:04:11 -0500 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060115180406.HEAY3466.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:04:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.21] (really [81.106.214.135]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060115180406.HZYZ20369.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.0.21]>; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:04:06 +0000 Message-ID: <43CA8EE3.5070303@fission.org.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:05:23 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051013) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Moon CC: internals@lists.php.net References: <11370812947200000@9866357972520000.9866341568840000><43C688AE.80403@php.net><43C69B2A.8000802@php.net><21.B4.29075.F75A6C34@pb1.pair.com><54.A8.13436.BE6F9C34@pb1.pair.com><43C9FF01.1060008@lerdorf.com><7.0.1.0.2.20060115111835.0531d810@zend.com><43CA25CD.2040408@lerdorf.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060115135052.05c1b848@zend.com> <44.80.13436.1035AC34@pb1.pair.com> <43CA88A0.60205@dealnews.com> In-Reply-To: <43CA88A0.60205@dealnews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Named arguments revisited From: gareth@fission.org.uk (Gareth Ardron) Brian Moon wrote: > > PHP will grow to a situation where half the > > I agree that if implemented this feature should be all or nothing. If > its only userland, it is confusing to new users. But, I really to find > it upsetting to see so many people saying that this feature will > fracture the PHP community. Those with CVS access have already put > things (like all the OO functionality) in that have fractured the user > base already IMO. Oh come on. OO was needed if php was ever to be taken seriously as an enterprise ready language. You can't however do everything in OO, so you need to learn procedural anyway - so all the userbase still knows procedural.