Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:21389 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 13361 invoked by uid 1010); 4 Jan 2006 02:03:24 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 13345 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 02:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 02:03:24 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 147.202.47.146 cruiser.plexpod.net Linux 2.5 (sometimes 2.4) (4) Received: from ([147.202.47.146:48816] helo=cruiser.plexpod.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.0 beta r(6323M)) with SMTP id A4/91-34518-CEC2BB34 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:03:24 -0500 Received: from dsl254-067-175.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([216.254.67.175] helo=desario.homelinux.net) by cruiser.plexpod.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.52) id 1EtxzV-0008DJ-Om; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:03:06 -0500 Received: by desario.homelinux.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:59:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:59:36 -0500 To: Andi Gutmans Cc: Marcus Boerger , php internals Message-ID: <20060104015936.GJ26280@desario.homelinux.net> References: <20060103205728.GF26280@desario.homelinux.net> <7.0.0.16.2.20060103154506.043678e8@zend.com> <829348376.20060104010548@marcus-boerger.de> <7.0.0.16.2.20060103164047.043e6900@zend.com> <1789719273.20060104022450@marcus-boerger.de> <7.0.0.16.2.20060103172755.043983a0@zend.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060103172755.043983a0@zend.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cruiser.plexpod.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.php.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - plexpod.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] __call overload detection From: andrew@plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum) On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 05:29:11PM -0800, Andi Gutmans wrote: > I think it's different especially as it's complementary to unset() > but I don't intend to get into an argument about it. I see your point there about isset and unset being a matched pair. From my perspective, call is similar to unset. It is implemented as a "black box" and has no complementary introspection method like isset to figure out how the black box works - at least as part of the language. unset has side-effects by nature of its intention, as might use of call. isset is intended to be a no side-effect poke at a property, but no such complement exists for call. > In any case, the tools for Andrew to resolve this programmatically on > the PHP level exist even if the syntax isn't 100% of what he'd like it to > be. 100% agreed and I have done so. I've brought it up for the community's benefit, as I think it is an area that has room for some improvement. I can see it becoming an issue as the frameworks and libraries for 5 continues to build and are integrated. I don't want to argue either - just trying to have productive discussion. Regards, Andrew -- Andrew Yochum Plexpod andrew@plexpod.com 718-360-0879