Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:20518 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 75329 invoked by uid 1010); 26 Nov 2005 12:24:58 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 75313 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2005 12:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Nov 2005 12:24:58 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 194.73.73.221 c2bthomr06.btconnect.com FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) (2) Received: from ([194.73.73.221:23145] helo=C2bthomr06.btconnect.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.0 beta r(6323M)) with SMTP id 97/08-56276-91458834 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:24:57 -0500 Received: from [10.0.0.9] (host81-138-11-136.in-addr.btopenworld.com [81.138.11.136]) by C2bthomr06.btconnect.com (MOS 3.5.9-GR) with ESMTP id CSJ92834; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:24:50 GMT Message-ID: <4388541C.4040708@lsces.co.uk> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:25:00 +0000 Organization: L.S.Caine Electronic Services User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: core Date class From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) It strikes me that there are two sides here One are insistant that Date will happen in a version of PHP5 while others seem to think that it was agreed that this would be part of PHP6. Currently if ISP were to roll 5.1 out without warning to users probably more sites than were affected by the 'reference' bug fix would be broken. We have seen that PHP4.4 was just seen as a bug fix to 4.3 and so 5.1 will be treated the same way - by ISP's - and then we have weeks of getting what were stable sites working again. *IF* Date is to stay in 5.1, then can we please change it's name so that it is not a source of 'unnecessary' site failures. I don't see that it ACTUALLY needs to be in at all while it's still being developed, and it could just as easilly be included as a PECL module ? and then rolled into PHP6 or tested with PHP5 as *USERS* want to do? The real problem is how to get round the fact that 'namespace conventions' were not documented when PHP5 was released? I've used :: in C code for many years, I don't see why there has to be such a heated debate over adding namespace now? -- Lester Caine ----------------------------- L.S.Caine Electronic Services Treasurer - Firebird Foundation Inc.