Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:20439 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 83111 invoked by uid 1010); 25 Nov 2005 20:30:41 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 83096 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 20:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 20:30:41 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 84.56.4.230 dslb-084-056-004-230.pools.arcor-ip.net Received: from ([84.56.4.230:10060] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.0 beta r(6323M)) with SMTP id 59/87-56276-17477834 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:30:41 -0500 To: internals@lists.php.net,nlopess@php.net ("Nuno Lopes") Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:30:59 +0100 Message-ID: <20051125213059.437951a2@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <00db01c5f1f9$4a7db430$0100a8c0@pc07653> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20051124161240.0573e640@zend.com> <20051125034515.6fefa4e2@localhost.localdomain> <43867C6C.2010209@prohost.org> <20051125040950.26305e08@localhost.localdomain> <43869FC5.4060708@lerdorf.com> <20051125075501.79718ee6@localhost.localdomain> <1132903004.9936.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1086017308.20051125091648@marcus-boerger.de> <438709AC.3020808@prohost.org> <43870FE6.7040609@prohost.org> <43873C62.6030602@lerdorf.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20051125091637.02c6da38@zend.com> <00db01c5f1f9$4a7db430$0100a8c0@pc07653> Reply-To: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Newsreader: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.14 (GTK+ 2.8.6; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-By: 84.56.4.230 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.1 (Or How to break thousands of appsout there) From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre) On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:49:04 -0000 nlopess@php.net ("Nuno Lopes") wrote: > >I must say that I feel deceived by this. > > Derick and I agreed that this won't be enabled for 5.1, and he then > > took advantage of the fact that release managers changed to enable > > his class. Doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth and it shouldn't > > happen again in future. > > > > Andi > > Just to clarify, it was Ilia who enabled the class, but just to move > the constants there. All methods are still disabled. He did it on Derick's demand. Ilia's mistake was to trust him. As Andi did too. > >>As I stated before, core PHP does reserve the right to pick up the > >>most obvious keywords as we come up with new functionality, and I > >>think we should have a date class, but we should do it in an > >>orderly manner and give people some time to migrate to something > >>that actually makes sense. > >> > >>-Rasmus > > Right! And changing a class name from a PHP program takes just a few > seconds.. Wrong, you have to first test, change and retest. Some cannot be changed for obvious reasons, like pear::date, if you do not understand that, feel free to ask me why on irc, prv. --Pierre