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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.1 (Or How to break tousands of apps out there)
From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger)

Hello Guys,

  simply because the crew that actually develops php and tests it a lot
before a release obviously doesn't use PEAR. And given the fact that pear
was dropped from the main releases because it didn't fit into it
functionality and compatibility wise anyway i see no reason to change this
than pear changing or pear testing. And yes it was late but it was an
oversight. And yes we don't usually change in between RCs. But yes we do if
we find that something was done wrong. And anything even a missing feature
or change is a failure.

And it doesn't help to shout or whine along.

So right now we should simply all relax a bit and find a solution in a
constructive discussion not in pissing at each other.

Take the lessen and test next time. All of us. All th ecode they want to
use.

And as Andi stated. PHP 5.1 is a lot of very good work. Anybody who
participated in its making should be proud.

Anybody who gave a 'shit' up until now may stay with php 4 or 5.0 if you ask
me :-)

I for one like 5.1 and will finally move from 4.* to 5.* on all servers i
can - at least my private one.

p.s.: Regarding pear if pear is so important it would be nice if pear was at
least 5.0 code. All of it.

Friday, November 25, 2005, 11:49:50 AM, you wrote:

>> It's definitely not the most elegant way, I agree there. But there was
>> also no sneaking as it was discussed months before, and it was actually
>> Ilia who suggested doing it in PHP 5.1.0 and not 5.1.1.

>      Then I have to ask both of you: why is there no mentioning in
>      the release notes or the upgrading guide regarding "Date"
>      being reserved for PHP now?

>      The language/base library might want to reserve certain
>      simple classnames for itself.  That is its right.

>      But: Doing so in a minor release is absolutely bad timing.
>      It gets worde because there apparently has been _no_
>      documentation of the fact at all.  How shall our users
>      prepare themselves appropiately?

>      I move that the class is renamed for the time being as to not
>      conflict with existing codebases, and release 5.1.1
>      expediently.

>      - Sascha




Best regards,
 Marcus