Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:20351 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 92527 invoked by uid 1010); 25 Nov 2005 09:55:43 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 92509 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 09:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 09:55:43 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 84.56.4.230 dslb-084-056-004-230.pools.arcor-ip.net Received: from ([84.56.4.230:24518] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.0 beta r(6323M)) with SMTP id 27/A2-56276-E9FD6834 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:55:42 -0500 To: internals@lists.php.net,derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:55:59 +0100 Message-ID: <20051125105559.54457576@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.0.16.2.20051124161240.0573e640@zend.com> <20051125034515.6fefa4e2@localhost.localdomain> <43867C6C.2010209@prohost.org> <20051125040950.26305e08@localhost.localdomain> <43869FC5.4060708@lerdorf.com> <20051125075501.79718ee6@localhost.localdomain> <1132903004.9936.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1086017308.20051125091648@marcus-boerger.de> Reply-To: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Newsreader: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.14 (GTK+ 2.8.6; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-By: 84.56.4.230 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.1 (Or How to break tousands of apps out there) From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre) On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:49:24 +0100 (CET) derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) wrote: > On Fri, 25 Nov 2005, Marcus Boerger wrote: > > > Hello Helgi, > > > > obviously one problem is that PEAR does ignore coding standards. > > Classes should be prefixed in both pear and core. And neither Date > > nor File is in any way prefixed. In th end all we see here is that > > we want namespaces asap. > > > > One thing to discuss now is whether we want to put out 5.1.1 or even > > 5.1.0pl1 asap with Date in ext/Date renamed to something diferent. > > No, as this breaks backwards compability. I have code written for > this and that is going to be released. If the class constants are > removed, you will break code that is out there. There were similar > reasons why Wez didn't want to change the odd PDO method because > people were running it production while PDO was not even beta - which > is fine. But you can definitely not change code in a released version. I think you are either kidding or living in a dream. You keep doing what you want, do not inform us about what you do (and do not say anything in commit messages). This release is a mistake and again you are responsible for that. Assume your wrong decisions once. --Pierre