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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: $ref =& $this;
From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger)

Hello Christian,

Tuesday, October 4, 2005, 10:14:05 AM, you wrote:

> Marcus Boerger wrote:
>> E_STRICT in 5.0, 51 is the least thing we need to do and probably we should
>> simply stop supporting 4.4 otherwise we never have our user base upgrade.

> While we would love to upgrade to PHP5 there is one killer for us so far:
> None of the open caches (Zend cache is not an option for us) work 
> reliably. They a) start crashing or behaving weird after a while and b) 
> don't work on 64bit systems (yes, some of our non-PHP code would profit 
> from 64bit) when we tried recently.

> So switching from PHP4/mmcache to PHP5 would mean we have to buy more 
> machines and we'd still get higher latency which is no good.

> George: APC did quite well but started doing weird things (weird 
> warnings, not crashing though) after a while. If you have any hints for 
> me on how to provide you with information necessary to fix the problem, 
> I'd be glad. I will install 3.0.8 on my development machine again and 
> try to describe what happens.

> Please accept that there are and will be real people with real problems 
> with PHP5 out there for a while,

Hm, sounds like a real problem then. Are you aware that in the last weeks
alot of work has been done to have APC support PHP 5 and especiall 5.1?
I think everyone involved will continue to do so, so perhaps you should try
it on a regular basis and help with some bug hunting?

Best regards,
 Marcus