Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:19370 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 44811 invoked by uid 1010); 4 Oct 2005 08:11:50 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 44796 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2005 08:11:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Oct 2005 08:11:50 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 195.226.6.9 darkcity.gna.ch Linux 2.4/2.6 Received: from ([195.226.6.9:39542] helo=darkcity.gna.ch) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.0 beta r(6323M)) with SMTP id D8/BD-54476-54932434 for ; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 04:11:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkcity.gna.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF32136146; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:11:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from unknown by localhost (amavisd-new, unix socket) id client-XXBei7Z6; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:11:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: by darkcity.gna.ch (Postfix, from userid 65534) id F0FEF13612C; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:11:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on darkcity.gna.ch X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.0 Received: from [192.168.1.43] (80-219-12-45.dclient.hispeed.ch [80.219.12.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by darkcity.gna.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7570F135EFC; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:11:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <434239CD.1020708@cschneid.com> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:14:05 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcus Boerger Cc: internals@lists.php.net, George Schlossnagle References: <43413474.90802@cschneid.com> <192263251.20051003154041@marcus-boerger.de> <4341403F.3000304@cschneid.com> <6139244.20051003163547@marcus-boerger.de> In-Reply-To: <6139244.20051003163547@marcus-boerger.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gna.ch Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: $ref =& $this; From: cschneid@cschneid.com (Christian Schneider) Marcus Boerger wrote: > E_STRICT in 5.0, 51 is the least thing we need to do and probably we should > simply stop supporting 4.4 otherwise we never have our user base upgrade. While we would love to upgrade to PHP5 there is one killer for us so far: None of the open caches (Zend cache is not an option for us) work reliably. They a) start crashing or behaving weird after a while and b) don't work on 64bit systems (yes, some of our non-PHP code would profit from 64bit) when we tried recently. So switching from PHP4/mmcache to PHP5 would mean we have to buy more machines and we'd still get higher latency which is no good. George: APC did quite well but started doing weird things (weird warnings, not crashing though) after a while. If you have any hints for me on how to provide you with information necessary to fix the problem, I'd be glad. I will install 3.0.8 on my development machine again and try to describe what happens. Please accept that there are and will be real people with real problems with PHP5 out there for a while, - Chris