Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:19065 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 74450 invoked by uid 1010); 17 Sep 2005 00:48:32 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 74435 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2005 00:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Sep 2005 00:48:32 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 65.124.18.202 miranda.org Linux 2.4/2.6 Received: from ([65.124.18.202:43985] helo=miranda.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.0 beta r(6323M)) with SMTP id A4/9D-43379-FD76B234 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:48:31 -0400 Received: (qmail 6732 invoked by uid 546); 16 Sep 2005 20:48:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 20:48:28 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:48:28 -0400 (EDT) X-X-Sender: adam@miranda.org To: Leigh Makewell cc: internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: <64.14.41173.65A69234@pb1.pair.com> Message-ID: References: <43276022.6020702@encode.net.au> <7C.1C.41173.4D828234@pb1.pair.com> <63.BA.41173.BB6E8234@pb1.pair.com> <4328EFC1.3030500@lerdorf.com> <38.3D.41173.B58F8234@pb1.pair.com> <64.14.41173.65A69234@pb1.pair.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Bogusing bot (Was: [PHP-DEV] Reference handling change and PHP 4.4.0) From: adam@trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg) On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Leigh Makewell wrote: > Well then I suggest you get out there and find out what you are doing > wrong because there is an increasing number of people out there who are > not happy with how their bugs are being treated. > This is a good place to start. > http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297291 I've filed 41 PHP bugs starting in 2001. Of those, 37 have been marked closed, 1 won't fix, 2 bogus, and 1 no feedback. Of the ones not marked closed, the won't fix one was quite hard to do, the bogus ones were bogus, and the no feedback one didn't include a short reproducible test case, so I don't fault that reply. Of the 36 bugs that were fixed, they hit the entire spectrum of PHP: Zend Engine, ftp, mysqli, SPL, SOAP, reflection, streams, iterators, shm, DOM, SimpleXML, Tidy, arrays, SQLite, PEAR, PHPUnit, Net_Whois, documentation, the documention system, the Web site, and even the bug system itself. :) That's a lot of work from a lot of different people to fix of my issues, and I'm quite thankful for all of their work. I've handled customer services issues, such as these, before. It takes a lot of time to set up your environment to reproduce the issue. Much more than you'd expect. Sometimes, people even conspire against themselves, don't give you what you ask for making it impossible to duplicate, and then get angry when you don't fix their problem when it's their own fault. :) I subscribe to the bug reports list, and I often feel bad about the bogusing of bugs. I know some of the bug report replies aren't as polite as they could be. I also agree that the label of "bogus" triggers quite a bit of anger in someone who feels that their bug is legitimate, and a differently worded label would be *much* better in terms of not generating anger. I wish that would change. However, then I think about how much time I wish to spend going through all those reports, and I hold my tongue. If people really want to help the community, go ahead and verify open PHP bugs -- you don't need to actually come up with a patch -- you just need to replicate the issue or tune the report to a short test case. You'll probably be shocked how long that alone takes. It would be a great help and time saver for core developers, and you'd get the chance to provide the community with excellent customer service while you're at it. -adam -- adam@trachtenberg.com | http://www.trachtenberg.com author of o'reilly's "upgrading to php 5" and "php cookbook" avoid the holiday rush, buy your copies today!