Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:19061 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 57711 invoked by uid 1010); 16 Sep 2005 19:38:36 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 57696 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 19:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 19:38:36 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 195.197.172.116 gw02.mail.saunalahti.fi Linux 2.4/2.6 Received: from ([195.197.172.116:35241] helo=gw02.mail.saunalahti.fi) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.0 beta r(6323M)) with SMTP id 09/42-43379-A3F1B234 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:38:35 -0400 Received: from nest.netphobia.fi (YZCLXVIII.dsl.saunalahti.fi [85.76.34.69]) by gw02.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CE3D1CBC; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:38:29 +0300 (EEST) Received: from nest.netphobia.fi (nest.netphobia.fi [127.0.0.1]) by nest.netphobia.fi (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j8GJcV5W006473; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:38:31 +0300 Received: from localhost (jani@localhost) by nest.netphobia.fi (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id j8GJcVXU006470; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:38:31 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: nest.netphobia.fi: jani owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:38:31 +0300 (EEST) Reply-To: Jani Taskinen To: Scott MacVicar cc: internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: <432AE037.3020608@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <43276022.6020702@encode.net.au> <7C.1C.41173.4D828234@pb1.pair.com> <63.BA.41173.BB6E8234@pb1.pair.com> <4328EFC1.3030500@lerdorf.com> <38.3D.41173.B58F8234@pb1.pair.com> <432AE037.3020608@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Bogusing bot (Was: [PHP-DEV] Reference handling change and PHP 4.4.0) From: sniper@iki.fi (Jani Taskinen) Over, my, dead, smoking, carcass. --Jani On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Scott MacVicar wrote: > > Hi, > > We had complaints about Bogus recently from customers and opted to rename this > category "Not a Bug" which has went down a lot better and there is less > backlash when we use this category. > > Maybe a small change would help? > > Scott > Jani Taskinen wrote: >> On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Leigh Makewell wrote: >> >>> joke. People critisise and joke about PHP's automatic "Bogus" bot that just >>> trolls through the database and marks any submitted bugs as "Bogus". What >>> is the point of making the bug database public? >> >> >> 1) I'm not a bot. >> 2) I'm not bogusing automatically anything (except for few exceptions >> [1]) >> 3) I spend a LOT of my free time, without getting paid >> testing hundreds of wierd code pieces people send, >> configuring and compiling PHP with wierd configure lines, >> etc. >> >> Never forget: MOST of us (me included) do NOT get paid for this. >> And handling bug reports is propably the most ungrateful "jobs" >> there is. >> >> I can count the times I've been thanked personally with one hand. >> Most of the time people send me hate email. :) >> >>> highlights it. Why should we bother to continue to support the community >>> when the community doesn't support us? We owe PHP nothing. There are plenty >>> of alternatives out there. >> >> >> It's the community who should support the developers, not the other >> way around. We owe the community nothing, the community owes us >> everything. >> >>> Now don't get me wrong. This is not aimed at everyone. I believe you Rasmus >> >> >> Don't lie. You aimed quite well. :) >> >> --Jani >> >> [1] People seem to think their problem is the most important one >> and even if it's been reported before, still send it as new one.. >> in which case their report gets very quickly bogused. :) >> There are several other reasons why to do that, but for _valid_ >> bug reports this happens VERY rarely. (Try piss me off and you'll see) > -- Donate @ Disclaimer: Donating money may make me happier and friendlier for a limited period!