Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:19060 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 18228 invoked by uid 1010); 16 Sep 2005 18:36:35 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 18213 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 18:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 18:36:35 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 69.12.155.130 69-12-155-130.dsl.static.sonic.net Linux 2.4/2.6 Received: from ([69.12.155.130:2091] helo=pigeon.alphaweb.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.0 beta r(6323M)) with SMTP id F4/AC-43379-2B01B234 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:36:35 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lighthammer) by pigeon.alphaweb.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1EGKP7-0000nP-00 for internals@lists.php.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:53:41 -0700 Message-ID: <004a01c5baed$8dc74730$6c051fac@lighthammer> Cc: References: <43276022.6020702@encode.net.au> <7C.1C.41173.4D828234@pb1.pair.com><63.BA.41173.BB6E8234@pb1.pair.com> <4328EFC1.3030500@lerdorf.com><38.3D.41173.B58F8234@pb1.pair.com><1268108902.20050916162945@marcus-boerger.de> <1126892246.12132.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:36:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: Thanks Jani From: pollita@php.net ("Sara Golemon") Gracis senor Taskinen por todos anos. Besos! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Coggeshall" Newsgroups: php.internals To: "Marcus Boerger" Cc: "Jani Taskinen" ; "Leigh Makewell" ; Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Bogusing bot (Was: [PHP-DEV] Reference handling changeand PHP 4.4.0) > Danke, Jani. > > Cheers, > > John > > On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 16:29 +0200, Marcus Boerger wrote: >> Hello Jani, >> >> Jani, thanks for the work! If it wasn't you we all had to do it and >> everybody had to keep track. Having you doing all the checks is quit >> econvenient (for us). >> >> best regards >> marcus >> >> Thursday, September 15, 2005, 1:25:56 PM, you wrote: >> >> > On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Leigh Makewell wrote: >> >> >> joke. People critisise and joke about PHP's automatic "Bogus" bot that >> >> just >> >> trolls through the database and marks any submitted bugs as "Bogus". >> >> What is >> >> the point of making the bug database public? >> >> > 1) I'm not a bot. >> > 2) I'm not bogusing automatically anything (except for few >> > exceptions [1]) >> > 3) I spend a LOT of my free time, without getting paid >> > testing hundreds of wierd code pieces people send, >> > configuring and compiling PHP with wierd configure lines, >> > etc. >> >> > Never forget: MOST of us (me included) do NOT get paid for this. >> > And handling bug reports is propably the most ungrateful "jobs" >> > there is. >> >> > I can count the times I've been thanked personally with one hand. >> > Most of the time people send me hate email. :) >> >> >> highlights it. Why should we bother to continue to support the >> >> community when >> >> the community doesn't support us? We owe PHP nothing. There are plenty >> >> of >> >> alternatives out there. >> >> > It's the community who should support the developers, not the >> > other >> > way around. We owe the community nothing, the community owes us >> > everything. >> >> >> Now don't get me wrong. This is not aimed at everyone. I believe you >> >> Rasmus >> >> > Don't lie. You aimed quite well. :) >> >> > --Jani >> >> > [1] People seem to think their problem is the most important one >> > and even if it's been reported before, still send it as new one.. >> > in which case their report gets very quickly bogused. :) >> > There are several other reasons why to do that, but for _valid_ >> > bug reports this happens VERY rarely. (Try piss me off and you'll >> > see) >> >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> Marcus >>