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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Bogusing bot (Was: [PHP-DEV] Reference handling	change
	and PHP 4.4.0)
From: john@coggeshall.org (John Coggeshall)

Danke, Jani.

Cheers,

John

On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 16:29 +0200, Marcus Boerger wrote:
> Hello Jani,
> 
>   Jani, thanks for the work! If it wasn't you we all had to do it and
> everybody had to keep track. Having you doing all the checks is quit
> econvenient (for us).
> 
> best regards
> marcus
> 
> Thursday, September 15, 2005, 1:25:56 PM, you wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Leigh Makewell wrote:
> 
> >> joke. People critisise and joke about PHP's automatic "Bogus" bot that just 
> >> trolls through the database and marks any submitted bugs as "Bogus". What is 
> >> the point of making the bug database public?
> 
> >      1) I'm not a bot.
> >      2) I'm not bogusing automatically anything (except for few exceptions [1])
> >      3) I spend a LOT of my free time, without getting paid
> >         testing hundreds of wierd code pieces people send,
> >         configuring and compiling PHP with wierd configure lines,
> >         etc.
> 
> >      Never forget: MOST of us (me included) do NOT get paid for this.
> >      And handling bug reports is propably the most ungrateful "jobs"
> >      there is.
> 
> >      I can count the times I've been thanked personally with one hand.
> >      Most of the time people send me hate email. :)
> 
> >> highlights it. Why should we bother to continue to support the community when 
> >> the community doesn't support us? We owe PHP nothing. There are plenty of 
> >> alternatives out there.
> 
> >      It's the community who should support the developers, not the other
> >      way around. We owe the community nothing, the community owes us everything.
> 
> >> Now don't get me wrong. This is not aimed at everyone. I believe you Rasmus
> 
> >      Don't lie. You aimed quite well. :)
> 
> >      --Jani
> 
> >      [1] People seem to think their problem is the most important one
> >      and even if it's been reported before, still send it as new one..
> >      in which case their report gets very quickly bogused. :)
> >      There are several other reasons why to do that, but for _valid_
> >      bug reports this happens VERY rarely. (Try piss me off and you'll see)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
>  Marcus
>