Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:19054 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 70897 invoked by uid 1010); 16 Sep 2005 14:29:53 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 70881 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2005 14:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Sep 2005 14:29:52 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 81.169.182.136 ajaxatwork.net Linux 2.4/2.6 Received: from ([81.169.182.136:53458] helo=strato.aixcept.de) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.0 beta r(6323M)) with SMTP id 97/E9-43379-FD6DA234 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:29:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (strato.aixcept.de [81.169.182.136]) by strato.aixcept.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B7235C392; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:52:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:29:45 +0200 Reply-To: Marcus Boerger X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1268108902.20050916162945@marcus-boerger.de> To: Jani Taskinen Cc: Leigh Makewell , internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: References: <43276022.6020702@encode.net.au> <7C.1C.41173.4D828234@pb1.pair.com> <63.BA.41173.BB6E8234@pb1.pair.com> <4328EFC1.3030500@lerdorf.com> <38.3D.41173.B58F8234@pb1.pair.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Bogusing bot (Was: [PHP-DEV] Reference handling change and PHP 4.4.0) From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger) Hello Jani, Jani, thanks for the work! If it wasn't you we all had to do it and everybody had to keep track. Having you doing all the checks is quit econvenient (for us). best regards marcus Thursday, September 15, 2005, 1:25:56 PM, you wrote: > On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Leigh Makewell wrote: >> joke. People critisise and joke about PHP's automatic "Bogus" bot that just >> trolls through the database and marks any submitted bugs as "Bogus". What is >> the point of making the bug database public? > 1) I'm not a bot. > 2) I'm not bogusing automatically anything (except for few exceptions [1]) > 3) I spend a LOT of my free time, without getting paid > testing hundreds of wierd code pieces people send, > configuring and compiling PHP with wierd configure lines, > etc. > Never forget: MOST of us (me included) do NOT get paid for this. > And handling bug reports is propably the most ungrateful "jobs" > there is. > I can count the times I've been thanked personally with one hand. > Most of the time people send me hate email. :) >> highlights it. Why should we bother to continue to support the community when >> the community doesn't support us? We owe PHP nothing. There are plenty of >> alternatives out there. > It's the community who should support the developers, not the other > way around. We owe the community nothing, the community owes us everything. >> Now don't get me wrong. This is not aimed at everyone. I believe you Rasmus > Don't lie. You aimed quite well. :) > --Jani > [1] People seem to think their problem is the most important one > and even if it's been reported before, still send it as new one.. > in which case their report gets very quickly bogused. :) > There are several other reasons why to do that, but for _valid_ > bug reports this happens VERY rarely. (Try piss me off and you'll see) Best regards, Marcus