Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:18957 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 33988 invoked by uid 1010); 15 Sep 2005 11:17:31 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 33973 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 11:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 11:17:31 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 195.225.34.5 fw01.axit.nl Received: from ([195.225.34.5:5318] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.0 beta r(6323M)) with SMTP id D1/FE-41173-A4859234 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:17:30 -0400 Message-ID: To: internals@lists.php.net References: <43276022.6020702@encode.net.au> <7C.1C.41173.4D828234@pb1.pair.com> <63.BA.41173.BB6E8234@pb1.pair.com> <4328EFC1.3030500@lerdorf.com> <38.3D.41173.B58F8234@pb1.pair.com> <4328F9DC.40302@lerdorf.com> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:17:26 +0200 Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Posted-By: 195.225.34.5 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Reference handling change and PHP 4.4.0 From: r.korving@xit.nl ("Ron Korving") > Yes it is legal because it worked That's nonsense. Even in the C-language certain things have worked in the past because of compiler bugs. Newer GCC versions have fixed it and broken C-code. Too bad for the users, but it improved the compiler's C-compliance. Something might work, but that doesn't make it "legal" by definition. > You have now demonstrated to us that the PHP developers can't be > bothered trying to find a real solution so you decided to pass the buck > and make us, your users, fix it for you. That is why we are angry. How > do we know this won't happen again? What happens next time you find a > bug that is just too hard? Will we have to change our code on every > version release? How much is that going to cost us in time and money, > and why should we bother? Define "real solution"? Maybe it just didn't exist. From the sound of it, you haven't contributed in any way to the project, so who are you to judge if there was a better solution to fix it? I do agree with you that some people have attitude problems here and that it hurts the community as a whole. I'm not in the position to talk to the few people in question about their certain behavior when I notice it, because I'm just a user like you are. I can only hope the big kahuna's here will point this out to eachother. I don't consider PHP to be a joke, nor the community. This community has given us very much, and we never had to pay a dime for the amazing work they do. We can only be very greatful, but of course it sure helps when we (developers and users) are all treated with the proper respect (which in my case, is 99+% of the time). Ron